How Does Dick Tiger Do In The Supe Six?

Again..be serious before the smarter, savvier posters read what you've posted..Dick Tiger IS NOT being overrated by me, but you are PAINFULLY overrating an unproven Arthur.

 

I'm not putting down Arthur, but don't rank him with Gene Fullmer, who beat Ray Robinson twice, had two reigns as middleweight champion, beat guys like Florentino Fernandez, Benny Paret, twice stopped Carmen Basilio, WAS NOT embarrassed by Joey Giardello, whether you think he won or lost that 1960 draw, and held Tiger to a draw in their three fight series. Regardless of whether the guys he beat were at their very best or not, tell me just what has A. Arthur done to compare with that?

 

Who has Arthur beaten to compare with the guys that Tiger or for that matter,Fullmer beat? I don't think that Arthur would be a 3 round bum victim, by the way, and the guy may go on to distinguish himself in the "big picture" of time, but he dosen't rank with Fullmer at this time, and certainly not with Tiger...go read up on Tiger and get some educated opinions on the matter, after all this IS the Classic forum, with a plethora of pretty knowledgeable boxing guys who can tell you even better and more succinctly than me about how mistaken you are on this.

 

The aforementioned Joey Giardello would have EMBARRASSED either Froch or Arthur, by the way.

 

Kessers footspeed might let him down and allow Tiger to catch him too much

also on Abraham vs Tiger

Abraham has a good guard but is inactive and Tiger will pound him whne he just stands there. People say Tiger was a head hunter but in the 4th iardello fight he worked teh body well. Also when Abrham flurried with those hard shots i think thats where Abraham is most vulnerable and Tiger could tradewith him in them flurries and i think he gets the better of it

 

Tiger beats them all, beats them all up.
A mixture of points decisions and KOs or TKOs.

The way I see it, Jermain Taylor and Andre Dirrell are the only ones with the movement, footspeed and footwork needed to have a chance of beating Tiger. But they both have NO CHANCE, obviously. Taylor, even if he was a fresh prime fighter still, hasn't the stamina or firepower to keep safe, he'll get crushed brutally and not in the last round, sometime earlier. KO'd.

Dirrell obviously just hasn't shown the fighting spirit or qualities needed to do anything serious against Tiger. He might survive the distance with spoiling tactics but he'd be hurt badly, and tired, and the decision would not be in doubt.

Froch goes to war with Tiger and gets KO'd.
Kessler might box well and last the distance but he'd been outfought and outclassed . He just hasn't got the style needed.

To be honest, Andre Ward is an unknown quantity to me.

 

AA is not there to be hit. He rarely get's hit aside from his arms. Abraham would lose a decision because he just is so inactive and I don't think he is able to take Dick Tiger out but he wouldn't end like Froch.

 

The only one I see troubling him is the "runner" Dirrell. The others are there to be taken by him. He'd have a field day teeing off on Froch and Abraham.

 

He boxes better, he fights inside better, and he throws a shitload more punches.

 

The same Giardello who went 1-1 against Peter 'De Aap' Mueller? Who, a the time, wasn't even the best in Europe - those were the very underrated Charles Humez and Gustav Scholz who never got a shot against the top Americans, sadly.

While I agree the era back then was better than now, you are overrating those guys a bit.

 

Come on Bohdi...you know very well that the whole point of these hypothetical matches isn;t to cherry pick the version of the different fighters that are matched up..so as to give your particular favorite a leg up..the matches are ideally supposed to be two guys at their relative best...and you know, or should know that the version of Giardello vs Mueller was not Joey at his best. That's like pitting the Ali of the first Spinks fight against a prime Larry Holmes, Lennox Lewis or Mike Tyson. You know what type of result you'd get in those matchups...the best..the BEST version of Joey Giardello would have given a boxing lesson and thoroughly outsmarted any of today's middles or supermiddles, with few exceptions, and those exceptions most certainly would not have been Alex Arthur or Carl Froch (!!!)

 

I never said that Giardello wouldn't do so. He certainly would humilate Froch. Abraham isn't that easy to win against, You must be focused for 3 minutes of 12 rounds to beat him. I think Giardello wins but out of a three fight series I like AA in one of them to put Joey out.
It's just that you sound like as if the guys back than are something not human and unbeatable. And that's something I just can't agree with. I'm pretty sure that some of the best then would drop a decision or lose by KO to some of the best today. On average the era then was better but somebody like Kessler or AA would have been contenders, not champs, back then I think.