Valuev deserve the win not because He won or lose just because Haye talk a lot of trash of koing this guy early tht He is a savior and no way this fight goes the distance and just ebarras himslef with that horrible performance, of course Haye deserve to lose
I scored it 115-114 to Haye. The 116-112 scores raised my eyebrows abit, as I didn't think none of them two won the fight by that much of the margin. But still, Haye I think did enough to win, and deserved to have his hand raised. I was a bit concerned that he wasn't doing enough at times in the fight, but then again, what exactly was Valuev doing?? The big man was like a cat trying to corner a wasp, and wasn't successful enough in throwing and landing decent combinations. Haye on the other hand did extremely well in executing the gameplan, although I don't buy his excuse of breaking his hand. We didn't seem him commiting himself too much with wild shots, simply because he didn't wanna risk getting caught. Which of course is fair enough, a fighter should fight to his own strengths. Well done Haye, despite rooting for Valuev, I believe your victory is a good thing for boxing. The heavyweight scene certainly needs a character like you give it some life
agree and disagree. i think there was legit debate to be had on most of the rounds. like you, i thought haye took at the <i>very</i> least 7 rounds cos in the main valuev wasn't landing, but at the same time, haye wasn't active. victory for the sport, but david still has a lot to prove
If you can argue Haye won then obviously he did enough to win the title. Your statement makes no sense. Haye hands down for me The only thing Valuev can argue is he pressed the fight but it was just aggression, not EFFECTIVE AGGRESSION.
Haye 115-114. Tough fight to score, and very close. No robbery either way, but glad that David Haye beat that clown. Also, very surprised that the scorecards were very fair and reasonable. Very good day.
TFFP, have your eyes checked when you have some time. Valuev also landed clean punches, and not just a handful. He just didn't land enough. So, the answer is, Valuev did not deserve to win because he never has shown adaption skills to raise to the moment when he could, having Haye trapped in the corner. He didn't do his best like in the last rounds when he had to press and did more, so he cannot argue he was the man to win the fight with the best he had to offer. Whether his endurance wasn't allowing that, or he feared to look bad, he didn't fight his best, and that has happened too often. I wish him the very best, but if he cannot rise to the occasion, he should let other fighters go for it. Haye did not deserve the win because he had all advantage other than size. He was much faster than Valuev, evaded most of Valuevs attacks without too many problems, landed almost easily whenever he DID try. He could have afforded to attack Valuev more than twice a round, just to prove he deserves to be champion. A champion doesn't weasel this way to victory when he has the advantages to make a bigger statement. Not fight clueless and trade, but just land 3 flurries a round instead of just one. Could anyone imagine a 29 years old Holyfield doing so little against Valuev ? He almost did better at age of 47. IF Haye fights either Klitschko next year, it's ok though. If he doesn't, I call him the biggest coward this side of Dodge.
Valuev. He came forward and made the fight. Neither guy threw many punches, but in most rounds Valuev was more active. Haye spent most of the fight RUNNING around and flicking out punches. IMO, you don't - or at least shouldn't - win fights that way.
As I say elsewhere, I think the whole scoring system needs to be revisited. having a 10 point system should suggest the possibility of someone ending up with a '1', but that is beside the point... Under our silly system Haye clearly won, under a system that we just go for who proved was the best, he demolished Valuev. That's what I mean (again elsewhere) about this being different to the Froch Dirrell fight. Dirrell proved he was the better fighter in that fight, but I think Froch won on our round-by-round system. Either way, I don't think it's possible to argue that there was any other winner than Haye. He was just so good defensively tonight - he didn't run, he waited for mistakes, and took advantage of them.
I don't need my eyes checked, I know what he landed. I watched the fight on my widescreen TV on ARD and saw first hand the wild rights that Haye ducked under and jabs that constantly fell short. The only punch I even remember from Valuev was a kinda slapping right hand that hit Haye on the cheek. If Valuev had of landed **** of significance he would have hurt Haye. Haye didn't do as much as I'd like, I'm sure against opponents that are less awkward he'll do more like he has in the past, but he landed the good punches al night. I don't care much for your bizarre interpreation of what Haye deserved based on nonsense criteria, the only guy that deserves to win is the one that lands which was Haye. At 40% according to German TV.
'Flicking out' punches? Running? I hope you never judge a fight, you'll ruin the careers of talented boxers.
good post haye ran foreva that said it is what it is nobody is actually sad LOL see haye high five king before the decision LOL