Classic forrums take on the Haye vs Valuev fight

I didn't watch it. Froch annoys me. I only had Haye a winner by one round and I confidently predict your scorecard will be regarded as the worst ever seen in this forum. I feel embarrased for you.

 

:verysad Not for me it wasn't. I could see Haye landing, and I could see Valuev missing. Good enough for me, we sometimes complicate things in scoring but it's simple in this case. One fighter was scoring, one wasn't...end of story.

 

The commentator over here desperately wanted to disagree with his mate Jim Watt for much of the fight I thought but once or twice seemed to want to align with Watt. I like Ian Darke as a commentator but he often seems to change his card to that of his 'colour' bloke. The worst example was with Mike Marley in (I think) Tyson-Ruddock II when Marley had something bizarre like 113-112 for Tyson, Darke said: "the same as my card, Mike".

 

Nah, c'mon. Tell him what you really feel.:smooch

 

yikes

Genunie question, what criteria do you use to score a fight with? Now i base my on effective aggresion, defense, clean scoring and ring generalship. Outside of the fact you could argue that valuev made haye fight his type of fight (though valuev was so ineffective at it) so maybe ring generalship could be scored in his favour haye was far more effective in almost every other way.

It was a shocking boring fight, but unless you score fights on useless aggresion i couldn't see how you could score it for Valuev never mind that wide. 116-112 was reasonable i felt

 

I just wonder how people think some times. Where on earth did he find that many rounds for Ruddock? My all time favourite is the judge who had Tyson comfortably ahead against Douglas. How do you feel keeping a card like that? I 'd really like to ask the guy.

 

At the end I had Haye narrowly ahead but was surprised at how close I had it as Valuev barely landed a punch all night. But in the rounds where nothing happened, I tend to give to the aggressor and that's probably what I did there. But the only clear rounds, Haye won. He deserved it and in years to come I don't think it will be remembered as a bad verdict in the slightest.

 

In the broadcast I watched the production wasn't that good, so it was often hard to see just how well the punches landed.

 

No, absoultely not. There were many pretty close rounds, but Haye outlanded Valuev in nearly all of them and since Valuev's agression really wasn't effective it wasn't hard at all for me.

When the hype around the fight dies down, I think most will have this as a fight Haye quite clearly won.

 

You'll find him in his condo in Hawaii being served by endless supplies of caviar and bottles of 1787 Chateau d'Yquem by young concubines.

 

Trust me, Valuev landed a handful of jabs...and one right hook after just getting nailed himself. Everything else hit air or Haye's gloves. Valuev was embarrassingly ineffective, and Haye looked like he was dodging the shots with minimal effort...every time he attempted to land, he did..and hard.

I can only assume the people who scored it for Valuev are either Russian, Jimm Watt (post Arguello beating), or Haye haters that only watched the fight to see him get knocked out and are now so pissed off it didn't happen have fabricated make believe scorecards.

 

What do you make of Haye saying he busted his hand early on? He said it directly after winning, in an elated mood, so I don't think he lied about it. Valuev's head must also be easy to bust your hand on.

Would he have been more agressive without the busted hand? Did he reallly alter the pre-fight tactic because of it?

 

Well, the I suppose his answer would "I feel quite alright about it, actually"

 

I don't know, but Haye was certainly throwing the right hand more in the opening 2 or 3 rounds than any other time in the fight. Do I believe him? What other explanation could there have been to stop throwing the right?

 

Clean punching - Valuev connected many light jabs that count. He connected more jabs than Haye threw! I don't score ronds based only on power punches which Hate landed very little though.

Effective aggression - both fighters aggression wasn't worth of scoring. But I rather give that element to Valuev who actually was th aggressor and worked harder in offensive. He came to fight and Haye didn't do much to win in that department. Valuev didn't looked exhausted after chasing Haye for 12 rounds.

Ring generalship - Haye fought Valuev's fight! Center of the ring and away from the ropes. Valuev controlled the tempo with his jab and smart movement. What Haye did to win in that element? It wasn't Chavez-Whitaker kind of backmovement, after he escaped from Russians range he did nothing and just circled! One jump-in per round is enough to steal the round?

Defense - Haye, no discussion.

For those who don't know I was rooting for Haye before the fight. And I really didn't liked Valuev at all, I wanted him to be beaten badly and out of HW scene for ever. But I just can't look and say nothing when I see travesty in boxing.