How does a fighter who doesn't land win a fight?

no one is hating on him... They are putting his win into perspective.... and his fans are blinded by the taste of his sack, and cant understand what logical thinkings is

 

It was a better win, a more courageous effort, and equally (if not more) odds-defying, physically.

 

Oh, so now you're changing your tune? All of a sudden fighters can win fights w/o landing anything as long as they are close in weight (and Britfags). How unexpected.

 

I'm not a Haye fan. Logical thinking tells me that Haye won the fight. People are justifying Haye's win because other people are trying to say, insanely, that valuev won.

 

I actually dislike both Valuev and Haye. You know me, Addie - I always favor the mover/boxer (or boxer-puncher) over the guy plodding forward and missing. From watching all 12 rounds on a choppy you-know-what, my impression was that neither guy landed much. You seem to feel Haye landed a good bit more. Whenever he landed a big power shot flush on the giant's big cratered noggin, it got a reaction from the crowd, that I remember distinctly. There were about half a dozen such reactions prior to the 12th round. Now, Valuev never landed anything as cleanly as Haye landed those half a dozen big shots (or the several he tagged him with in the 12th), so in that respect sure Haye landed more meaningful punches overall. But to make it sound like Haye landed cleanly in every round (although you did footnote that it was usually only a couple of times) is, IMO, an overstatement. For all that Valuev was missing due to Haye's speed (or partially landing glancing blows as Haye rolled away from them), Haye was missing his own shots because he was lunging from too far out and not taking risks, or getting his shots picked off by Valuev's gloves/forearms when he did sneak in close. I know this because whenever he touched Valuev's face, he usually moved Valuev's head - and as stated, it got a big crowd reaction. There weren't many of them. Haye definitely went entire rounds without landing flush once, as did Valuev.

 

IB you seem to be arguing about the degree to which Haye won, while I am arguing only that he won (the original topic). I have no dispute with you.

 

I never said Haye didn't wind, though it was a closer fight then Froch/Direl. But you asked how a fighter who doesn't land can win a fight and Froch won w/o landing pretty much anything.

 

U right when u only take clean hits into account. But if u take also in account activity and who is making the fight its a bit different.
All in all I dont care about the result. But thinking of Direll - Froch (Direll was running and hitting Froch all night long while Froch hardly landed anything clean but still won), the fight yesterday showed one thing: Germany isnt as crooked as England!!!

 

Your problem is that you dont realise that Valuev did land. Haye even had a small mouse under his eye after some rounds. Same with Froch vs Direll people saying Froch didnt land a punch on Direll bull****.

 

Yes, Valuev did land. But nowhere near as cleanly or effectively as Haye.

And the embarassing amount of times he missed counts against him and counts for Haye in terms of ring generalship and defence, which are categories that the judges are supposed to include in their scoring.

 

"Activity" and "who is making the fight" are not categories that the judges are supposed to consider in the scoring.

1. Clean punching
2. EFFECTIVE aggressiveness
3. Ring generalship
4. Defence


They are the things the judges are told to look at according to the official scoring guidelines.