Classic forrums take on the Haye vs Valuev fight

I've seen almost every Haye fight and most recorded Valuev fights, so I would be rather ashamed of my predictive ability if I HADN'T got this one right!

 

MDWC has me dying laughing right now with his clever remarks

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Not only was Valuev ineffective, he was unaggressive as well! I can walk forward at that pace for twelve rounds too, you know. If only I had Hagler's chin, I could have made a name for myself as the winningest boxer on the planet. It was rather dull but Haye deserved the nod because of clean punching. Practically all the early and late rounds had Haye landing the definitive punch.

 

It was boxing. Moving around the perimeter of the ring, focusing on defense, and also landing. Valuev doesn't get points for simply walking forward. Adam Booth has stated that they scored it earlier today and Valuev and King did to, and they all had Haye winning.

Haye won clearly. It doesn't matter who's coming forward and making the fight or the other moving around.....It's all about landing blows, and Haye landed more blows and the more effective ones too. You couldn't even make a case that Valuev landed the bigger shots.

 

Yeah and his overall ability too.:yep

 

I'm hearing this one get bounced around a bit, and from nothing solid as far as I've heard so far.

Are they any official stats? Because I really wouldn't be surprised if Haye ended up outlanding Valuev as it was. I'd put good money on Valuev's accuracy being abysmal in this one.

Really, it was extremely similar to the Holyfield fight. Main difference being Haye was even better at making Valuev miss.

 

I was expecting Haye to score a KO within 5 or 6 rounds.
He didn't deliver.

To put the win into perspective, he did about as well against Valuev as Holyfield did, maybe slightly better because he staggered Valuev.

But the old man still probably has a far better chin than Haye, so I'm not even sure Haye's a better heavyweight that The Real Decrepit Deal, even in 2009.

I'm a fan of David Haye but he didn't do much special last night at all. After all his talk he should've done something better.

 

All I know is that those jabs were landing on the slowmo replays and a great percentage of the overhand rights Haye threw landed on Valuev's shoulders/back as he ducked under them. I, too, would like to see some punch stats.

 

Wrong, wrong, wrong. I was very wrong.

Another thing I was surprised about was that Haye got the decision. Yes, I think he deserved it but that's not usually enough when you're fighting Valuev.
And they (Haye and his people) looked far too confident after the fight and before the decision, far too confident under the circumstances. I think we all know how these things work though .....

 

He did something special it was just the wrong thing.

Executing that fight plan the way he did required a lot of skill and I don't think that anybody else in the curent heavyweight top ten could have eluded Valuev so effectivley.

Ultimately I have to go with what you are saying that he should have fought a more agresive fight. He basicaly placed himsel at the mercy of the judges in Germany when he could have made it more clear cut.

 

Just like how I am surprised everytime the challenger of a foreign country get's the decision in the USA or Britain ...


Well, Haye won, the best you could give Valuev was a draw based on activity. But Haye didn't do much himself the whole fight. He just ran and had one, two scenes a round in which he scored. Valuev was just too slow to score himself. Very boring fight. Also, have you seen how exhausted Haye looked just before round 12? I doubt he would have lasted the 12 rounds if Valuev would have made him work more. I wasn't impressed by any of those two.

 

Well, there seems to be quite a few persons, not only on this board, who think the guy who comes forward, pressures the action and wants to fight should be given the benefit of the doubt. That's not the way it should be but more an more people seem to think so.

 

Sorry but discrediting other people's scorecards by insinuate those people bias and hate just discredites yourself.

 

I dont know, but Valuev doesn't punch hard enough to make elusiveness the key factor. I'd have liked to have seen Haye punch him more.

I thought Holyfield won a good 9 rounds from Valuev too, maybe 10. It was in some ways a BETTER display of boxing by Holyfield, though Haye's hurting Valuev makes Haye's performance slightly better overall. And Holyfield's fight didn't exactly make anyone take him seriously as a threat to the men at the top division. Obviously Haye is easier to hype and easier to put that leap of faith in.

For someone like me, who never doubted Haye's skill, ability, power etc., it's hard to get too excited about this latest win.