Anyone think the Haye fight was fixed

Discussion in 'British Boxing Forum' started by KingCobra, Nov 8, 2009.


  1. KingCobra

    KingCobra IBF World Champion Full Member

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    Does anyone here think that Haye was set up to win this fight. Only asking because a friend of mine said they thought the fight looked a little contrived. Thinking about it there are a few things which seemed a little odd. Sauerland and Don King seemed ok with the result. Haye got the win in Germany. Valuev has recently stated that his heart isn't in boxing and there is a **** load more cash to be made with Haye as world champion than Valuev.

    I'm not saying I necessarily agree with my friend (and I hate to disparage Haye's win) but I can see where they're coming from. Opinions anyone?
     
  2. threethirteen

    threethirteen Boxing Addict Full Member

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    King and Sauerland didn't care because they've got options on Haye for winning.
     
  3. Broxi

    Broxi Stand With Ukraine Full Member

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  4. KingCobra

    KingCobra IBF World Champion Full Member

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    I keep reading this but can't find a source although it does make sense!
     
  5. TFFP

    TFFP The Eskimo

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    How exactly did it seem contrived?
     
  6. Mookhound

    Mookhound Well-Known Member Full Member

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    NO.

    For the love of God, Haye was always, always going to win this fight. He is immensely talented, Valuev isn't.

    Hulk Hogan would lose to Naseem Hamed in a boxing match. If you can't fight, you can't fight. The size helps, obviously, and Valuev was clever at using it to his advantage, but he's not talented enough to beat the top tier of heavies. He can beat guys who are a bit more skilled, like Barrett, but not those who are a helluva lot more skilled, like Chagaev.
     
  7. KingCobra

    KingCobra IBF World Champion Full Member

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    He didn't go into specifics. Something about Valuevs performance didn't sit right with him and he has seen Valuev fight before. I'm not saying I thought it was fixed per se. I thought both fighters tried to win. I just got the impression that Valuevs management / promoter were happy with the result for their own reasons and if they could have influenced the decision they chose not to. Can't see King allowing Valuev to voluntarily defend against Haye unless he was sure to gain on the outcome and I think he will have more to gain with Haye as the champion if he has options on future fights. I will ask my friend for clarification on what he meant when I next speak to him.
     
  8. trotter

    trotter Boxing Addict Full Member

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    Course it ****ing wasn't lol

    You try to 'contrive' a chicken dance like Valuev did, or the various cuts and bruises these guys come out with

    People who believe this **** probably still leave their teeth under the pillow for the tooth fairy
     
  9. DamonD

    DamonD Boxing Junkie Full Member

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  10. joe6991

    joe6991 Member Full Member

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    so basically what you're saying is that it looked fixed because it looked as if the judges were'nt paid off for valuev to win???
     
  11. TFFP

    TFFP The Eskimo

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    Are you sure he's seen Valuev before? Because he shouldn't have been that surprised if he has, because thats how Valuev lost against Chagaev and Holyfield and maybe even Donald. He plods around the ring when faced with good footwork, and doesn't really have the fire in him to fight angry, or throw 3 or 4 punch combinations to try and land. He just does the same old thing until he loses. Jab, jab, inch forward, jab, inch forward, throw overhand right.
     
  12. KingCobra

    KingCobra IBF World Champion Full Member

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    I'm saying that it was always obvious that if the fight was scored fairly Haye would win. The fight was scored pretty fairly which is surprising given some of the decisions Valuev has taken in the past. Either the WBA didn't want another dodgy decision in Germany and appointed straight judges or some other influence ensured a fair fight ie Don King. The only reason I can see for him doing that is because he has options on and stands to make more money from the more marketable Haye as World champion than he does from N. V.

    So to answer your question "fixed" was a bad way of putting what I meant. I do think there is a strong possibility that Valuevs management / promo team are now to some extent Hayes management / promo team and are probably going to make more money as a result.
     
  13. Mazallan

    Mazallan ESB yes man Full Member

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  14. TFFP

    TFFP The Eskimo

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    As for King not looking unhappy, its not exactly the end of the world for him. Perhaps he's not unhappy because he DOES have the options on Haye's next fight and will hope to take that further?

    King was in a no lose situation really, he didn't need to do anything dirty and there is no real evidence to suggest that was the case except for speculation. King covered all bases when the fight was made as he usually does.
     
  15. PatrickP

    PatrickP Active Member Full Member

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    This was a cash out for Valuev, anyone who thinks any differently is naive to say the least. Haye probably would have won anyway but the scorecards were going his way no matter what. His reaction at the end said it all, he didn't even look remotely worried about the scorecards...in Germany! It wasn't as if he had done so much that there should not have been even a doubt in his mind but he seemed to think it was a foregone conclusion, which it most likely was. Can anybody give me a recent example of a challenger winning the title in Germany without ko'ing or totally & clearly outclassing his opponent from start to finish?:huh I'm not saying there isn't one I just can't think of an example right now.
    Just to make it clear, I think Haye was going to win anyway based on his talent but it wouldn't have surprised me if there were some guaratees put in place to make sure of it. Valuev has had fights fixed in his favour in the past so it is not beyond the realms of possibility that Haye would have too. In reality the only fixing Haye was going to need was a fair decsion so it makes no difference really.