Henry Armstrong nuthugging thread - why he was the greatest fighter of all time

Discussion in 'Classic Boxing Forum' started by Manassa, Nov 8, 2009.


  1. Manassa

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    To start off, look at his record. These are fighters who were rated, at one time or another (but mostly at the time Armstrong beaten them) in the RING's top ten. Featured in bold are Hall of Famers:

    Frankie Covelli
    Varias Milling (x2)
    Bobby Levyas
    Juan Zurita (x2)
    Mike Belloise (x3)
    Rodolfo Casanova
    Tony Chavez (x2)
    Moon Mullins
    Aldo Spoldi (x4)
    Frankie Klick
    Ritchie Fontaine (x2)
    Lew Massey
    Enrique Venturi
    Pete DeGrasse
    Petey Sarron
    Billy Beauhuld
    Frankie Castillo
    Everett Rightmire
    Lew Feldman (x2)
    Ceferino Garcia (x2)
    Al Manfredo (x2)
    Bobby Pacho (x2)
    Davey Day
    Ernie Roderick
    Jimmy Garrison (x4)
    Paul Junior (x2)
    Joe Ghnouly
    Ralph Zannelli (x3)
    Sheik Rangel
    Leo Rodak
    Jimmy McDaniels
    Tippy Larkin
    Maxie Shapiro
    Willie Joyce (x2)
    Frankie Wills
    John Thomas
    Saverio Turiello (x3)
    Al Davis


    Midget Wolgast
    Baby Arizmendi (x3)
    Benny Bass
    Chalky Wright
    Barney Ross
    Lou Ambers
    Lew Jenkins (x2)
    Fritzie Zivic
    Sammy Angott
    Pedro Montanez

    Armstrong beat as many 'name' opponents as Joe Louis had opponents. And he beat them 73 times.

    In a three year period from '37 to '40, Armstrong had 61 fights.

    He won 59... 51 by knockout. 37 of these didn't even reach the end of the fourth round.

    And we're talking about top notch opposition here - Armstrong was already well into his career by the time he reached his stride and he was fighting good boxers every other week.

    He wasn't filling his record with first round knockouts of taxi drivers. Armstrong was butchering the best in three good divisions.

    The only two he didn't win in this period were controversial - against Lou Ambers he had several rounds taken away for seemingly legal body punches which were deemed low. Many also think he deserved the win against the heavier Ceferino Garcia, which ended in a draw.

    Despite being at his best between 126 and 130lbs, Armstrong defended his welterweight title a record 18 times. 11 of those were fought in 1939 alone. He'd fought 14 times in 1938 already, and 27 times in 1937. He fought at the top level from 01/01 until 12/12 that year and won 26 of them by knockout. Aldo Spoldi, the lone survivor, would later be knocked out by Armstrong in three subsquent meetings.

    He also made a defence of the lightweight title, smashing Lew Feldman in one round, before losing it questionably to Ambers.
    In winning the featherweight title previously, Armstrong had steamrolled Petey Sarron for the first and only time in Sarron's career.

    That's all for now because I'm losing track.
     
  2. PowerPuncher

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    Because he isnt, Duran would beat him from the 130-147lb limit, thread closed
     
  3. Manassa

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    It was a statement; 'why he was...'

    Not a question; 'why was he...?'

    This thread is not open for debate. Just wriggle under the rays of greatness.
     
  4. Sweet Pea

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    That's up to debate. Armstrong's achievements aren't, and they clearly surpass Duran's. Thanks for playing. Better luck next time.
     
  5. KTFO

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    Don't forget his tremendous achievements as a featherweight.
     
  6. Manassa

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    If I didn't know better, I'd think you were being sarcastic. But yes, Armstrong's featherweight achievements - while brief - were tremendous. Thanks for the input.
     
  7. Sweet Pea

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    Wins over Midget Wolgast, Baby Arizmendi, Petey Sarron, Juan Zurita, Mike Belloise, Aldo Spoldi, Frankie Covelli, Rodolfo Casanova, Ritchie Fontaine, etc. World Featherweight title.

    Nice input.
     
  8. KTFO

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    De facto they were really awful compared to his title bouts at welterweight. 'Brief' is understatement at its best. What does a Newspaper title count anyway?!
     
  9. TheGreatA

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    What do you mean by newspaper title?
     
  10. Manassa

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    I have to say, I think Armstrong's the best we've seen at 126-130lbs.

    Sometimes overlooked is his top five all-time offence - I mean come on, look at his statistics, read the reports. Due to the eerily coincidental points-based footage we have of Armstrong, it supports the notion that he was a swarmer. Really, he was a meat grinder.

    Also, a top ten chin? Probably.
     
  11. Manassa

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    Well, you said it yourself. Armstrong's featherweight endeavours are only rubbish compared to his others - this division was the lesser of his three-weight reign. That's how great he was.
     
  12. Jack

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    Just out of interest, do you watch modern day boxing, Manassa? If so, what do you think of Pacquiao?

    To keep this on topic....I like Armstrong a lot. One of my favourite fighters. Beautiful to watch offensively, though I haven't seen enough of his opposition to give him a truly fair rank.
     
  13. PowerPuncher

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    Thats right so would Whitaker, Pacquaio, Salvador Sanchez, Mayweather and Robinson at 135 too amongst others :yep
     
  14. Manassa

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    Yeah, course. I'm not an out-of-touch fogey who actually believes the bear-on-the-back stories. Pacquiao is brilliant. Good enough for me to say he beats many a former great within his own weight class.
     
  15. KTFO

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    Yes, and when I say awful I really mean awful. Sorry if I didn't emphasize it enough.