You're telling me to stick to the point yet give an explanation about your drunken habits. Is there anyone sober here?
Yep, I'm asking you to stick to the point. I want you to tell me how a guy that doesn't land much and the few he does land are jabs wins a fight... Vs a guy that doesn't land much and the few he does land are harder shots loses a fight... ???
You of all people should have scored the fight for Haye, with Mayweather employing similar tactics against smaller opposition than himself. If I said I scored Baldomir/Mayweather for Baldo by 3-4 points, would you call me crazy or say, "you're entitled to your opinion". Keep in mind, I know the answer.
David Haye won this fight. Anybody claiming Valuev won either has an agenda or simply cannot score a boxing match.
I cannot believe so many people scored this for Valuev just because of aggression. HITTING THE ****ING AIR SHOULD NOT WIN ROUNDS. Doesn't anyone know what effective aggression is? Boxing is about hitting your OPPONENT, which Haye did more than Valuev, with cleaner harder shots. He landed about 1-3 per power shots per round, while Valuev landed a few jabs here and there, a lot of them being partially blocked or hitting Haye in the chest. But Valuev's punches were almost exclusively hitting AIR. People saying Valuev did more so he should win are IDIOTS. He did more against the ****ing AIR. An analogy can be made to two guys kicking goals in football/soccer. Guy 1 kicks 100 balls, and makes 2 goals. Guy 2 kicks 25 balls, and makes 6 goals. You guys are saying Guy 1 should win because he kicked more balls. The goals are meaningless!
Good use of graphics, son. When you get a little older, they might teach you to write. Then you would be able to express your gripes a little more articulately. Till then, keep on drawing !
I thought it was clear. The problem I had was with the word "ROBBERY", son... Which is why I bolded it, son.
No sane person would score Valuev vs Haye for Valuev. Haye dominated the giant showing once again that Valuev never had anything going for him except his size. If you score this fight for Valuev there is no hope for you
Nothing clear about it, son. Go back and take a look at your post. If that was your gripe, it should have been enlarged as well as bolded. However, now that I see what you were trying to do, your post has a bit more validity. Robbery might be a bit strong. It was one of those fights where both men could, without a blush, have been declared the loser. Ironic that Valuev should have retained his title with a number of gift decisions and lost it in one of the few fights where he should have had the nod.
Then perhaps you shouldn't attack someone's intelligence when you're not entirely clear about what they're saying. I'm of the opinion that using the word robbery in a close fight is nonsensical. If you're saying both men could have been declared the loser, then what's your problem with Haye getting the win?
No. Valuev did not win. I picked Valuev to win from the moment the fight was signed and gave lengthy explanations for why I thought he would in other threads. The rounds were nondescript but when Haye threw punches he landed them. Not to mention the fact that he hurt Valuev in the 12th round. Valuev didn't land any punches of consequence throughout the entire fight. The rounds that I scored for him (there were 5) were the result of him doing just a little more than Haye and that's not saying much.
1: i dont care if you do have 19,000 posts, you are being silly!! Did you watch the fight?? yes??... then all his talk worked didnt it!!!:hey 2: the 2nd comment i have highlighted gets me thinking that you were maybe watching the wrong fight or you thought it was WWE or something!!:huh if you dont know that haye outboxed valuev, you dont know boxing!!! haye did what he needed to do. valuev couldnt do what he wanted to do!!!:deal tell me, in your opinion, how does a boxer outbox his opponent?? (simple definition please!):think
I attacked the response that consisted of a sole emoticon. As I've explained to you, the 'bolding' of the word robbery was far from evident . I don't agree that it was a close fight. If you read my initial post, I could find a MAXIMUM of four rounds to give to Haye. Hence my initial use of the term robbery. When I say both could have been declared the loser, clearly there was an element of license here. What I meant was that BOTH performances were very poor. Obviously, in literal terms, someone wins and someone loses. And as I said in my first post "So I'm not overly upset about the robbery."
Both Mayweather and Haye have great movement, these guys have amateur experience but I would say that Haye wasn't as active as Mayweather is with his movement. There are moments where Haye moved for one full minute without throwing a single punch. Find me something similar from Mayweather, Mayweather is more active with his movement but still I can't really blame Haye, he had a serious task and positioning yourself to land on someone as huge as Valuev so I can't say anything bad about his movement because there is nothing bad I can say. Movement requires stamina, skill and speed. I loved the way Haye fought, I didn't score for Valuev because Haye "ran" or any of that nonsense. It's running when you just move around without throwing anything like Dirrell did with Froch many times. Haye was stiff in the opening round either, he was relaxed and was comfortable to throw whenever he wanted or got the position he seeks. Looking at them during the referee's instructions you would think it's a celebrity boxing match for laughter. The size difference was insane and Haye has some balls to take that fight as only his third at heavy against the biggest heavyweight champion in history and went to Germany where Valuev is known to get many gift decisions. Oh and it was him, as tiny as he was, hurting Valuev real bad from a SINGLE punch in the 12th.
