My Top 10 P4P list - what's yours?

1. Manny Pacquiao
2. Miguel Cotto
3. Shane Mosley (Can be changed with Cotto)
4. B-Hop
5. Ivan Calderon
6. Nonito Donaire
7. David Haye
8. Chad Dawson (Can be changed with Haye)
9. Mikkel Kessler
10. Paul Williams

 

it said MY top ten not the actual top ten you muppet

 

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p4p means? who seems the strongest/skilled at there weight compared to others? or who is the strongest in their natural weight, or who is the most popular Boxer on a role?

I agree with the poster that hw s should be included,

who could agree? that the only agreeable thing is that there is a tie for first
1 Floyd
1 Manny

and not until they fight each other will it be decided

 

Yea they havent been that great but Also he has been fighting good competition as well. I believe he os 33-34 so he is gradually slowing down but based off his skills, record,mand being a 2 weight champion he has to make the list:smoke I think he is the best pure boxer in the game, he has all the moves, slips , dips, hand speed reflexes with zero power.

 

1 manny pacquaio
- floyd mayweather jnr
3 shane mosley
4 miguel cotto
5 Juan manuel marquez
6 bhop
7 izzy
8 rafa marquez
9 paul williams
10 wlad

izzy, rafa and bhop moved down recently due to inactivity
pushing for a place are haye, vitali, donaire,john, calderon, pavlik, dawson and abraham.
prospects for top 10 p4p are khan, bradley, berto, lopez, bute, cloud, valero

as always somebody will have slipped my mind completely and ill prob have to edit it

 

also margarito is ousted for using illegal hand wraps of course

 

Yeah, as we talked about yesterday I think you have a point here. On the plus side Williams will fight anyone...is a 2 division champ...has solid wins in 3 weight classes and easily moves between weights.

On the flip side he's yet to prove himself the man in any division, and his best wins are against the limited Margarito and an old Winky. When you also factor in the Quintana loss, there's not really much there.

I think I will be moving him down, but don't want to be doing it without careful consideration.

 

1. Manny Pacquiao
2. Floyd Mayweather
3. Bernard Hopkins
4. Shane Mosley
5. JMM
6. Miguel Cotto
7. Paul Williams
8. V. Klitschko
9. W Klitschko
10. Nonito Donaire

 

Why - this is a p4p list - not a ATG list.

Hopkins fought a great fight vs. Pavlik, who was famours because of wins vs. Miranda and Taylor. Abraham beat Miranda twice and Taylor once.

Hopkins could lose to Ademek, Jones, Dawson, Bute, Kessler, Abraham and Taylor............

 

Whilst this was the original definition of P4P, I think you have to start factoring in resume as well....as there have been many examples of fighters that "looked" great but never amounted to that potential.

I made a point yesterday regarding Carl Froch. Here's a guy I think is a very limited boxer and I nearly always pick against him...yet if you look at his last 3 wins (undefeated now LHW titlist Pascal, former MW champ Taylor, undefeated Dirrell) in comparison to some of the other fighters who get mentioned as P4P material, he actually has a better resume.

Tell me that resume isn't better than Williams, Dawson, Abraham, Calderon, Kessler, John etc.

Just a point.

 

I think it's unfair to drop him without first seeing his performances and also seeing what other fighters are doing/have done after the events but can see your point of view.