a closer look at arlovski vs fedor (lucky punch ? )

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  1. boxingcar

    boxingcar Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    So , What Really Happened in that fight ?
    What about Arlovski's boxing "dominance" ?
    And what about quick hands of Arlovski..
    And how really quick one should be to BLOCK the VERY quick hands of Arlovski?

    Freddie Roach: "It was a lucky punch"
    Well ......
    So , Let's Have A Closer Look now.



    [ame]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XbSUJmF4wxk[/ame]
     
  2. achillesthegreat

    achillesthegreat FORTUNE FAVOURS THE BRAVE Full Member

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    i don't think it was a lucky punch. fedor read arlovskis body language and saw him coming in so he let a big right go. fedors boxing was terrible but in that moment he chose the right punch at the right time. arlovski was stupid. arlovski showed a poor side to fedors game but i dont think arlovski could ever win, even if he doesn't get caught like that. i don't think anyone can stop fedor finding the answer over the course of TWENTY FIVE MINUTES!
     
  3. am0kgonzo

    am0kgonzo Active Member Full Member

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    Sherdog was full of slowmo gifs showing every exchange and Arlovski landed jack **** except for the push kick.

    Also, Fedor's face bruises very easily, but he was without a mark after the fight.

    Arlovski's performance is extremely overrated, in my opinion. All that talk about him being on the way to win the fight is laughable at best.
     
  4. boxingcar

    boxingcar Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    +1
     
  5. PH|LLA

    PH|LLA VIP Member Full Member

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    Arlovski was doing ok until he tried some kind of flying knee.

    that was a dumb move. Fedor can take advantage of any situation cause he is the best. One small mistake from Arlovski and Fedor KO'd him.

    Arlovski was doing well but he would've lost eventually anyways. Fedor can take a guy out 100 different ways and if Arlovski tried something dumb like that in the first round he would've made many more mistakes as the fight went on.
     
  6. BITCH ASS

    BITCH ASS "Too Fast" Full Member

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    Wow, Fedor really is a terrible boxer. He is completely off balance.
     
  7. boxingcar

    boxingcar Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    Maybe because he isn't a pro boxer in the first place. His specialty = sambo + judo. The striking is additional. (and helps him to get the takedown)
     
  8. BITCH ASS

    BITCH ASS "Too Fast" Full Member

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    I didn't say he wasn't a good fighter because he's gotta be with that record, but his boxing is attrocious. His balance is just terrible.

    It's hard to believe he's the best MMA fighter.

    But like I said, his record doesn't lie.
     
  9. scurlaruntings

    scurlaruntings ESB 2002 Club Full Member

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    You mean it was a dumb move in retrospect. Absolutely nothing wrong with a flying knee. Remi Bonjansky has been using them all his career. Kid Yamamoto broke Kazayuki's jaw with one. Caol Uno has also been very popular with the flying knee.

    The difference here is that was Fedor in the other corner. You dont throw and over hand right on accident at the same time as someone throwing a flying knee.

    Fedor is alot like Micheal Jordan in that he's able to read the offense a fraction before it actually occurs. Many times MJ said he knew exactly what John Starks was going to do. And true to life that was exactly what happened on tape. Jordan had reaction times that were investigated by NASA during the height of his fame because of his unusual aerial prowess and ability to adjust in fraction of a second to his opponents. Iv seen highlight after highlight reel in slow mo and it was like watching a cat turn in freefall. Fedor is exactly the same.

    Myself personally i dont see this socalled performance from AA. I see a guy who looks the part and throws punches with the "technical" accuracy of a boxer. But the bottom line is that matters not a jot when there not effective against top class opposition in MMA. Fedor is the greatest of all times for a reason. And the reason is much like MJ he is head and shoulders above everyone else. Its simply not even close. When your 31-1 in a sport like MMA when its so EASY to loose there is no such thing as luck.
     
  10. scurlaruntings

    scurlaruntings ESB 2002 Club Full Member

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    Its not hard to believe at all. This is Mixed Martial Arts. Not boxing. You dont judge a Nascar event by an Formula F1 standard just because both "athletes" drive cars. Fedor's technique is PERFECT for MMA. The sooner people realise that the better.
     
  11. BITCH ASS

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    I don't really understand what you're talking about in the sense that his technique is perfect for MMA.

    Maybe if you justify by it is perfect for the level of opposition in MMA, then I would see where you are coming from, but all around perfect, I don't see it.

    He does have a great record, but who has he fought with great boxing technique to say that his is perfect for MMA.

    I saw Arvloski with very ordinary boxing skills trouble Fedor and make him look completely off balance.

    What makes you think Fedor could use that technique against everyone? To me, judging by Fedor's balance or lack thereof, Roach's assessment of Fedor cannot fight backwards looked to be at least somewhat correct.

    Who can you use that would clarify that Fedor's boxing technique is perfect for MMA? You don't think he can improve?
     
  12. scurlaruntings

    scurlaruntings ESB 2002 Club Full Member

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    Dude take a step back and look at what you have written. Your still looking at Fedor from a boxing purist perspective. If you want to dissect Fedor's career and assert "who" has he fought with boxing technique, you need to ask yourself why is that even a valid question when this is MMA and not boxing and NONE of Fedor's opponents nor any of the MMA greats hail from boxing backgrounds. The reason is glaringly obvious.

    You can talk about his technique precision balance but yet again you are still talking about from a boxing perspective when this sport is martial arts. NOT boxing.

    Put Fedor in a boxing ring and he's less than a journeyman. But in MMA its PERFECT technique. Theres no point in dissecting his opponents as Fedor has fought the BEST heavies MMA have to offer and ALL have been destroyed. Some of those destroyed are ATG's. Some are already in the UFC hall of fame. Some will be inducted into an MMA hall of fame. Despite any of this Fedor is NOT a noted striker.

    Now as iv already said judge Fedor from an MMA perespective. Many complained about Liddell's poor striking technique. And yet Liddell has one of the deepest resumes in MMA history despite being a "poor" striker by boxing standards and despite not even hailing from a striking background.
     
  13. boxingcar

    boxingcar Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    I think you don't understand his F1 / nascar analogy.

    Both mma & boxing (and K1) are combat sports.
    However there's things you can & can't get away with in both sports.

    For instance , in MMA it is not recommended to utilise a typical boxing stance. (because you can kick your opponent & because it makes you even more vulnerable to takedowns).

    Also , fighters in mma usually tend to have a bigger distance that separates them.

    In boxing , some things work wonderfully to a fighter's advantage. Take the Klitschkos for example. Each time these two fight , it's a jab fest ownage.

    In mma , 2 things can happen in a similar situation. Either:

    1 - the mma fighter is pretentious & dumb enough to confront the pro boxer (superior striker) and tries to beat him at his own game.

    OR

    2 - he can take the easy route.
    Like this for example...
    [ame]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5uwPcyf8-Xo[/ame]

    (look what happens at 0:10 )...ate a knee...but got the clinch. And since this is mma , the ref is not gonna separate them , and that's where fedor's style excels. (because he's a grappler , not a boxer , he comes from a sambo / judo background)

    In boxing , you're forced to deal with the reach advantage & the guy's superior striking technic...In mma , you have more options. If you suck in the striking department , more solutions can be used to your advantage.

    Take this fight for example , muay thai striker vs Judoka
    [ame]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hNttRJ40QZE[/ame]

    Akiyama's striking is total **** compared to Manhoef , but it's MMA...he avoided the KO , managed to take the fight where he wanted end finish by submission.


    Both sports are too different to compare.
     
  14. jimmie

    jimmie Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    Arlovski landed a few decent strikes but he never dominated or hurt Fedor.
     
  15. boxingcar

    boxingcar Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    That's the thing. One of fedor's most prestigious victory (and impressive one) was in 2003...against Nogueira. (Nogueira is a legend of the sport) , Nogueira is no Wlad Klitschko or Lennox Lewis... On the other hand , Lewis or Klit aren't Nogueira on the ground.

    Nogueira is a top jiujitsu specialist (who's very endurant , and has an amazing stamina).

    That fight was 95% on the ground....

    And to us MMA fans , this 2003 nog vs fedor is already a classic.

    It has Nothing to do with boxing....Maybe you'll dismiss it as "gay"...But if you have the patience to watch it...here's the combat.

    part 1
    [ame]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PUIrKo13l58[/ame]

    part 2
    [ame]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DFZJJAfUorc[/ame]

    part 3
    [ame]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ho6ikY8-j3w[/ame]