Valuev would probably beat Wlad.

IntentionalButt · Nov 9, 2009

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Wlad takes backward steps against everyone though. Why would Valuev change this?
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He backs up just enough to keep square. It isn't a moonwalk. If Valuev didn't have the gumption (or physical ability) to bull-rush someone even smaller and less heavy-handed than Wlad, he's not going to do it here. He's a cautious plodder, and he'll cautiously plod into jabs until a cut opens up. Nothing about his style will pressure Wlad or bring him out of his comfort zone.

1-Ton · Nov 9, 2009

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Unlike Vitali, who fought Lewis, Wlad has not ever had to face man with equal or greater size.

This means he is unexperienced in this regard, and considering his fighting style which also differs from Vitali's, the Valuev that fought Haye would pose some significant problems for Wladimir.

1) Wlad is a fighter that fights tall, backs up in a straight line, and often relies on his size as his defense. Against Valuev, who is both bigger, taller and has a longer reach, this defensive style could prove to be ineffective and potentially disasterous.

2) Wlad will be forced to punch up. This is critical because unlike Haye and even his brother Vitali, Wlad rarely throws overhand rights, (effective against taller fighters), and does not explode with his left hooks. This is critical because Valuev won't have to make any significant adjustments with his defense and his hands will be in place to block Klitschko's straight punches.

3) Klitschko is not an effective body puncher and his skills on the inside mostly consist of clinching. This is significant because Valuev is much stronger than Klitschko, nulifying his clinch strategy, and as I said in the previous point that Valuev is so tall that he can afford to keep his hands at least somewhat low which will help to nulify a body attack by a guy who is not known as an effective body puncher.

4) Klitschko is unproven at slipping punches. This is important because Klitschko's lack of above the waist mobility will mean that he will be forced to block all the punches which can work, but is a one dimensional style of defense that Valuev will eventually penetrate.

5) Klitschko's mobility is not good enough to give Valuev significant problems. Klitschko will find Valuev a difficult man to run from if his PLAN A is not working.

This is a huge matchup problem for Klitschko and while Klitschko beats the majority of heavyweights, he likely loses to Valuev for the reasons stated above.
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That may be the most incorrect, ill-informed and ignorant assessment of any fighter that I've ever read on this site. You might try actually watching a Wlad fight. Thanks for playing.

pngo · Nov 9, 2009

:rofl Wlad would destroy this bum inside 8 rounds. I'm dead serious.

BITCH ASS · Nov 9, 2009

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Good point on the size of opponents. But not accurate. Vitali is 6'8 and Lennox is 6'5. That is a 3 inch difference.

Wlad is 6'6 and fought:

McCline and Austin, both 6'6, his same height. Bostice and Thompson, both 6'5. Sanders, Nicholson, Eduardo Moli, Williamson, and others, all 6'4.

1) Both fighers rely on size for defense, but Wlad is much more athletic and a fluid fighter than Valuev, who is lumbering and slow. Valuev does have a reach advantage of 4 inches though.

2) Wlad does throw overhand rights, and they are devestating. You need to watch the tapes. He also throws left hooks, albeit not with the snap of Tua or Tyson.

"Valuev won't have to make any significant adjustments with his defense." - He should because Holyfield and Haye were both able to land flush shots against him, and when they crowd him, Valuev was flustered and getting hit.

3) Valuev is much stronger than Klitschko, nullifying his clinch strategy, and as I said in the previous point that Valuev is so tall that he can afford to keep his hands at least somewhat low...

This is not going to work for Valuev because while he is bigger, I doubt he is stronger. He is 320lbs of dough while Wlad is 240lbs of solid muscle who trains every day. I would say Wlad is stronger and more fit than Valuev.

If Valuev keeps his hands low, hes going to be getting hit with jabs and straight right hands that have much more power than anything Haye (who wobbled him) and Holyfield landed.

4) Valuev will land on Wlad. I agree on this one. But, I don't think Valuev can put him away. He landed on Haye and Holyfield and could't stop either of them.

5) Klitschko's mobility is 100% better than Valuev.

This is a huge match up problem for Valuev. His size advantage is less than he is used to, he has disadvantages in speed, power, cardio, boxing technique and even trainers.

I don't see any possible way Valuev could win against Wlad.

His chances may be better against Vitali, but I believe Vitali is in much better condition and is much stronger than Valuev.
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While Klitschko is more muscular than Valuev, I don't think that he is stronger. I think that Valuev has more natural strength and along with his size is the stronger fighter.

However Klitschko is the better puncher.

You said Holyfield was able to cause damage by crowding Valuev, but Klitschko is not this type of a fighter. He is a guy that fights from the outside.

Valuev is also not being given enough credit for his boxing abilities because while he is slower, and doesn't hit as hard as Klitschko, they have very similar boxing styles.

They stand very straight up and use their height and awkwardness as their defense. They both lack above the waist mobility.

And while Wlad has better footwork than Valuev, his ability to move his head and dodge punches is questionable.

des3995 · Nov 9, 2009

I don't like Wlad Klitschko, but he would wreck Valuev.

treva1977 · Nov 9, 2009

you know i would probably have to agree with you there.valuev could beat wlad.but i am 50/50

Dizzle · Nov 9, 2009

What a joke! Valuev is one of the worst champs in history! Wlad would KO him absolutely no doubt about it!

ramalinga · Nov 9, 2009

Hmm...an old McCline was looking good against Valuev before his knee gave out, Wlad annihilated a young McCline.

Chagaev beat Valuev handily, he didn't land a meaningful punch on Wlad.

Wlad's best performances came against tall and short fighters, Mercer, McCline, Austin, Byrd, Chagaev. He had a height advantage sometimes and sometimes not, he still beat them all in dominant fashion with speed, accuracy, footwork, power. Wlad was beaten twice from gassing out and once by Sanders, who was a quick southpaw with KO power, nothing that Valuev could copy. Valuev was beaten by decent fighters just because they were overall better boxers. To beat the current version of Wlad would take some very special attributes, to beat Valuev it's enough to be a good B - level fighter.

BITCH ASS · Nov 9, 2009

People are looking at Wlad and how he is superior in many ways, but they're not breaking it down to styles.

And that's what is important in this fight.

BITCH ASS · Nov 9, 2009

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Hmm...an old McCline was looking good against Valuev before his knee gave out, Wlad annihilated a young McCline.

Chagaev beat Valuev handily, he didn't land a meaningful punch on Wlad.

Wlad's best performances came against tall and short fighters, Mercer, McCline, Austin, Byrd, Chagaev. He had a height advantage sometimes and sometimes not, he still beat them all in dominant fashion with speed, accuracy, footwork, power. Wlad was beaten twice from gassing out and once by Sanders, who was a quick southpaw with KO power, nothing that Valuev could copy. Valuev was beaten by decent fighters just because they were overall better boxers. To beat the current version of Wlad would take some very special attributes, to beat Valuev it's enough to be a good B - level fighter.
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McCline's knee gave out in what? The 3rd round? That's hardly an indication of how the fight was going since Valuev isn't one hitter quitter and McCline is a much different fighter than Klitschko. A bad example all together.

Chagaev beat Valuev by evading his jab with headmovement and getting inside and firing combinations.

When does Wlad do this and against whom?

ramalinga · Nov 9, 2009

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People are looking at Wlad and how he is superior in many ways, but they're not breaking it down to styles.

And that's what is important in this fight.
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Styles are only meaningful if there is a somewhat comparable level of ability. Wlad's weakness is his chin and Valuev doesn't have the power or handspeed to exploit it. Every other departement is in Wlad's favor by a huge margin. Wlad has shown that he can dominate fighters of his own size and Valuev is not good at using his size.

ramalinga · Nov 9, 2009

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McCline's knee gave out in what? The 3rd round? That's hardly an indication of how the fight was going since Valuev isn't one hitter quitter and McCline is a much different fighter than Klitschko. A bad example all together.

Chagaev beat Valuev by evading his jab with headmovement and getting inside and firing combinations.

When does Wlad do this and against whom?
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You don't think Wlad could train and adapt his style for the lumbering Valuev? Chagaev never fought a 7 footer before, prepared right and delivered. Wlad is superior to Chagaev in every departement and he couldn't come up with enough movement to avoid Valuev's slow punches?

Borincano · Nov 9, 2009

And he will be a three time champ, big no. He would lose to both brothers.

BITCH ASS · Nov 9, 2009

ramalinga said: ↑

Styles are only meaningful if there is a somewhat comparable level of ability. Wlad's weakness is his chin and Valuev doesn't have the power or handspeed to exploit it. Every other departement is in Wlad's favor by a huge margin. Wlad has shown that he can dominate fighters of his own size and Valuev is not good at using his size.
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I think Valuev uses his size well.

If he would have rushed in on Haye, he would have easily allowed Haye to get inside, underneath his punches and land more combinations while simeltaneously wasting energy and making himself tired.

Against guys like Chagaev, when they slip the jab, which they should considering they are MUCH shorter than Valuev, (Klitschko is not), Valuev couldn't do much but hold much like Wlad does when his opponents get inside.

Klitschko is at a disadvantge here though because his height actually hinders him. Where Haye can move his upper body very well to avoid the jab despite his height, and guys like Chagaev and Holy who are already "decent" at moving their heads because they are used to fighting bigger men are shorter than Valuev by a wide margin, Klitschko who DOES NOT have good above the waist mobility will find it VERY HARD to get out the way of Valuev's longer jab.

BITCH ASS · Nov 9, 2009

ramalinga said: ↑

You don't think Wlad could train and adapt his style for the lumbering Valuev? Chagaev never fought a 7 footer before, prepared right and delivered. Wlad is superior to Chagaev in every departement and he couldn't come up with enough movement to avoid Valuev's slow punches?
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But Chagaev is consistantly in the ring with taller men. The only adjustment he had to make with Valuev is punching even higher.

Klistchko never had to punch up to hit anyone.

Combine that with Klitschko's lack of above the waist mobility and we got problems.

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