What are the advances in Modern Training Methods

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  1. Boilermaker

    Boilermaker Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    We often hear about all of the advances in modern training and techniques and it makes sense. Certainly we dont get stupider with time and we do learn things. But what i would like to know is what things have we learned in relation to boxing and do our current fighters actually adhere to these techniques or did the modern fighters adhere to more in some cases. It is probably best to limit the consideration to the heavyweight divisions because this is what most posters are familiar with.

    1. The first evolution is said to be that of nutrition. Current fighters are definitely bigger nowadays.

    My line of thinking though is that modern science tells us to cut out artificial flavours, colours etc. Yet modern society and diets of most fighters seem to (due more to modern constraints) rely on eating fast foods and processed foods. These simply were not really readilly available in older times and by definitiion, modern science would suggest that the older diets may have been better for the fighters.

    2. Steroids. This is seen as a big advance by some (assuming they are used). My limited knowledge of steroids tells me that there biggest advantage is not that they make people bigger, but that they allow the body to recover quicker and therefore train harder. but it is pretty much accepted that older fighters trained longer and harder than the modern equivalents (certainly guys like Marciano, Fitzsimmons etc did). So if this is the case, are steroids really that much of an advantage.

    3. Number of fights. Modern Science tells us that the more you actually fight the more you learn and better you are. In other sports it is called match fitness. IN fact it is said that no amount of training is the same as playing matches. So, with this in mind, how is it possible that modern fighters could be better off by not fighting as often as the old timers? This goes directly against common sense and modern science.

    4. Weight Drain. Modern science tells us that it is not healthy and not good to constantly change weight. Yet modern fighters constantly balloon up in between fights and are forced to cut 20-30 lbs in a short amount of time when they sign a fight. They dont train hard constantly or watch their diet and as a result modern science suggests that this weight cutting must limit their strength and performance. Contrast this with older fighters who were always in shape and did not have enough time between fights to stop training and balloon out of weights. So modern science suggests again that old time fighters have an advantage.

    5. poverty. Modern science and history tells us that the best fighters come from the lowest income areas. There is no doubt that poverty and general living conditions were worse in the older days. Therefore, common sense and modern thinking suggests that better fighters would come from these tougher times.

    6. Alcohol and drugs. Modern science tells us that drugs are more and more readily available nowadays. It is much more widespread and a bigger problem for more modern boxers than it was for older boxers. Alcohol was obviously a problem for both. Modern thinking would suggest that the lack of drugs in society (and boxing) would be more of a problem for modern boxers than older boxers.

    So, that is 6 areas where modern science would suggest that older training conditions and techniques were ahead of modern training conditions. So, my question to those who see modern as a lot better is what are the areas where modern science suggests that modern methods used is more advanced?
     
  2. SugarRay

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    Use of videos/ films to study opponents helps.
     
  3. Polymath

    Polymath Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    Most boxing fans would be loathe t admit it, but any modern advances have come from bodybuilding.
     
  4. TheGreatA

    TheGreatA Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    Building weight is easier, see Holyfield for example.

    If you were a light heavyweight in the "old days", you didn't put on 30-40 pounds of muscle to become a heavyweight, you fought at the weight you were at pretty much.

    I guess Archie Moore is an exception, he started as a welterweight, grew into a middleweight and during his prime fought at light heavyweight and above 200 pounds comfortably. He also had great longevity unlike many other mid 1950's boxers such as his rival Ezzard Charles for example.

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  5. lefthook31

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    I think the main difference is the nutritionist and personal trainer addition. It allows fighters to build and cut weight easier without depleting themselves. Strategy has always been a big factor and really the use of tapes is worthless if the trainer doesnt know what hes looking at to exploit habits.
     
  6. Boilermaker

    Boilermaker Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    I think this might be an excellent point.
     
  7. Boilermaker

    Boilermaker Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    But cutting and draining weight is said nowadays to be a bad thing anyway. See for Example Roy Jones Jr and Chris Byrd, who were supposedly weight drained when they dropped weight. I know that the old days rarely had light heavys bulking up, but isnt this mostly because they trained hard all the time, didnt balloon up and fought usually at their optimum weight, not 30lbs above it as they seem to nowadays?

    Still, what are those modern advances, surely they knew weight lifting increased weight and strength even in theold days.
     
  8. lefthook31

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    I think there is a proper way of doing it. If a fighter is active and using a nutritionist to add or cut weight gradually its ok. If someone like Riddick Bowe who after sitting on his ass for 6 months tries to cut 60 pounds in three months, its bad.
    I think that was somewhat the case with Jones Jr, who went up and down in too short of a time period. He gradually worked his way back to a natural fighting weight through second tier opponents, and now seems in better overall physical condition when fighting the better guys.
     
  9. TheGreatA

    TheGreatA Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    I believe weight lifting was pretty much abolished for boxers until recent times.

    Cutting weight isn't necessarily a bad thing as long as you do it right. Roy Jones and Chris Byrd didn't do it right. Look at someone like Joshua Clottey for example, he comes in at 147 pounds and by fight time he is nearly 170, giving him a huge weight advantage over his opponents but taking little out of his effectiveness.

    Adding weight has become increasingly easier although it usually takes something out of the fighter.
     
  10. Shake

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    Cyborg arms.

    I am from 2135
     
  11. cross_trainer

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    Re: Weight Training

    Yes, fighters were capable of using weights in the old days. Unfortunately, most didn't because it was taboo ("it makes you slow", etc.). And if they DID want to use weight training, they wouldn't be using a very good program compared to modern ones.

    That's really the key: A lot of the exercises that modern trainers use are actually very old, but it's how they put them together that makes the difference. The difference between doing tuck jumps three days a week and a periodized program that utilizes tuck jumps as part of a plyometric phase is pretty large.
     
  12. Unforgiven

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    I actually doubt that.
     
  13. cross_trainer

    cross_trainer Liston was good, but no "Tire Iron" Jones Full Member

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    Why?
     
  14. Unforgiven

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    Because, firstly, periodized programs dont actually work as "one size fits all" programs as is sometimes suggested by the tables and percentages and numbers that often accompany the articles on any particular program.
    Particular drills and exercise still have to be tested and tailored around individuals.
    And then training schedules are usually (always) adapted and tweeked as training progresses and unforseen leaps in progress or plateaus appear.

    So, a person who just does "tuck jumps three times a week" may well cut short this part of training on any given day because he's feeling "stale" in old-timer parlance, or may increase the volume beyond what was planned to push himself, or may hold back on purpose ..... all instinctively, or through passed-down wisdom.
    And the person following a "periodized program" will wisely do the same thing, but with solid "theory" behind it.

    Ultimately, the practice and results of both approaches will be pretty damn close.
     
  15. Unforgiven

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    Also, boxers have always trained in a periodized manner.