Old George Foreman vs Nikolai Valuev

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  1. TheGreatA

    TheGreatA Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    I'm not saying it would be a similar type of fight but it's comparable as in that Valuev is a slow, immobile target that wouldn't make Holyfield and Foreman look their age in the way that a younger, faster opponent would (see Holyfield-Ibragimov).
     
  2. ChrisPontius

    ChrisPontius March 8th, 1971 Full Member

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    What does Holyfield vs Valuev have to do with Foreman supposedly stopping the big Russian?
     
  3. TheGreatA

    TheGreatA Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    As I said, it was not a direct comparison.

    I predicted that Valuev's lack of speed, agility and reflexes would make Holyfield look better than he looked against other opponents such as Ibragimov, Byrd, Toney, Donald in his 40's.

    I believe the same could happen here although the match-up is different. Foreman wouldn't have to be looking for Valuev, he would be standing right there in front of him. Valuev has a very solid chin but it's not impossible to hurt him. Foreman has the necessary power to put a hurting on him so I could envision a TKO outcome happening.
     
  4. Genesis

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    I agree with TheGreatA.

    Does Haye hit harder than Foreman? I don't think so. Haye made him do the chicken dance, which leads me to believe that Foreman would KO Valuev (my opinion).

    Yes Valuev has never been dropped on stopped, but Foreman is a differnt animal to anyone Valuev has fought in the power department. A 42 year old Foreman would not have to go looking for Valuev.

    Foreman would never run from Valuev and would not have to. The Foreman of the Holyfield fight beats Valuev. Foreman had the chin to even trade with Valuev while Haye did not.
     
  5. ChrisPontius

    ChrisPontius March 8th, 1971 Full Member

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    Yes, i certainly think Haye hits a lot harder than the old Foreman. Do you really think glass chinned Morrison goes 12 rounds with Haye? :lol:
     
  6. lefthook31

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    He made him do the chicken dance in the last round. Would an old Foreman have that kind of stamina? We havent seen Valuev in a pressure fight yet so there is no way to determine if an old man who applies pressure would be able to do enough to beat Valuev, who does use his height and reach. As far as Morrison, I think he beats Haye at this point. Haye's been knocked down by lessor punchers. Haye hasnt proven anything at heavyweight yet.
     
  7. PetethePrince

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    Bingo. Foreman late TKO
     
  8. PetethePrince

    PetethePrince Slick & Redheaded Full Member

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    You're nuts. Clearly looking at the statistical truth to twist the truth. Morrison basically moved and ran from former. A freaking slugger with the size and strength of Tommy was moving backwards and laterally the whole fight. Foreman knocked out Moore with a 1-2. Holyfield say that Foreman hit him with the "hardest punch I've ever been hit with. It didn't knock me down but it was the hardest shot I've ever taken." I think that says a lot about Foreman's power. Foreman hits WAY harder than Haye, even an old one. Hence, everyone running from old Foreman still.
     
  9. CANNONBALL

    CANNONBALL Well-Known Member Full Member

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    even an old Foreman was quicker than Valuev and would,i think ,be the stronger man...I reckon George batters Valuev for a TKO win..
     
  10. Sonny Carson

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    Your a ****ing idiot. Styles make fight's, Morrison outboxed and moved on George. George couldn't connect with a powerful enough punch to stop him cause of the movement. Valuev is gonna be in front of George meaning George would be able to KO him. Power doesn't leave, speed does dip****.
     
  11. PowerPuncher

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    Valuev may be the strongest man Foreman faced, may have 1 of the best chins Foreman faced and 1 of the harder hitters he faced despite not being a massive puncher you dont want to eat those shots flush from a bigger man you have to defend a bit better. Foreman would look just as small as Haye looked in there pretty much. Then again Foreman is a physical beast in his own right with massive power and Valuev would get hit by them. Valuevs height/reach difference and guard are underrated defensive strengths and his opponents dont like to get hit coming in.

    It really is a hard 1 to judge as we arent talking about Prime George. I think Foreman by Ko in a bit of a war where he might go down
     
  12. Muchmoore

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    I'd say that comeback Foreman hit harder than Haye but not better.

    Haye sort of has the Tyson effect in that he generates a lot of his power by his speed, where Big George gets his power from his enormous strength. Basically the chances of him landing a full power shot on you aren't super high, assuming the opponent is world class of course.
     
  13. djanders

    djanders Boxing Addict Full Member

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    I'm betting on George in this matchup.
     
  14. Boxed Ears

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    You think Valuev might be physically stronger than even old Foreman? Man, I would pick Foreman to come out of retirement NOW and knock Valuev from pillar to post like a rag doll! ...Okay, I'm exaggerating. Foreman wasn't great with taller opponents. I can't really imagine how he'd get to someone who is 7'2 by the NYSAC measurement. Especially if Valuev was cagey and used his jab an awful lot. Maybe Valuev could take him on points if he fought the most measured game of his life. I don't see him coming close to a knockout.

    Foreman gets inside, yes he'd be the most powerful man Valuev ever fought in every sense of the word. Punching power and total physical power and chin and the brute force punching power is more than Haye could muster, IMO. But not at the explosive speed. Foreman could knock Valuev out, and if Valuev wasn't on his best day, Foreman could certainly outpoint him. It'd be an interesting fight. Fun to think about.
     
  15. ChrisPontius

    ChrisPontius March 8th, 1971 Full Member

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    Foreman landed plenty of punches on Morrison. Tommy wasn't exactly a defensive specialist.

    But okay, just look at Foreman during other fights. He stopped NOBODY except for a glass chinned Moorer. Nobody else ! And he fought a shitload of mediocrities. If the old Foreman hit that hard, then he hid it well.... how many hard hitters do you know who went the distance with 9/10 opponents? :lol: Even Holmes does better than that.





    p.s. could either of you sensitive girls respond without a "you're a ****ing idiot" ? Or is that too much maturity to ask?