What are the advances in Modern Training Methods

This is correct, didnt Holyfield use the cable cross over, position the pulley to shoulder level or below and work through punches that way thus using the correct angle of resistance

 

Did I say anything about 'decreasing'? My post was exactly how you should understand it. You say it's 'inefficient'. If it would be inefficient then the Klitschkos wouldn't use it. No vid, just tv.
Update: Roids make any hard training useless.

 

You said they punch hard despite the punching with weights. I (fairly reasonably) took this to imply that you assumed I believed it decreased power.

I ask because I think I saw that segment before. If I remember correctly, the weights were small, and would make sense if it was just training for using heavy modern gloves. But since I saw it a while ago, I wanted to double check.

Maybe I'll check youtube out.

Explain.

 

i really doubt that pad work is only 30 years old,

lol

 

(1) Didn't say that.

(2) Yes, small. Only Rocky Balboa uses a big dumbbell.

(3) Meds/Doping/Roids optimize athletic output without the need of athletic training methods.

 

Right. You said:

...which seemed to imply what I mentioned above--that you were countering an assertion that dumbbells decrease punching power. In any event, it's clear by now that you didn't intend to imply that, so I'll concede a mistake and move on.

Chalk it up to the difficulty in discerning tone over the internet.

Yeah, but there's a difference between 1-2 lb. "small" (not too removed from a glove's weight) and 5 lb. "small" (inefficient).

So if you're saying that punching with really light dumbbells is a modern advantage, I'll point out two problems:

1) Fighters were doing the same thing in the 19th century
2) Shadowboxing with dumbbells significantly heavier than your gloves isn't an advantage anyway, so you might as well just wear your gloves. And gloves were lighter back then, anyway.

So the ideal training method is to take lots of roids and sit on the couch? :huh

 

As the last sentence of your post is important only, I'll respond to that last sentence only.

My answer is Yes. (Although I could start playing word games about the verbalization, but I'm not in the mood.)

 

If nothing else, you are original. :good

 

The more I think about it the less I believe in modern day "advances". I think we should use the word "differences" instead. Fighters today might do different things in thier preparation for a bout but that doesn't mean that those methods are better. The old methods were every bit as good if not better than todays methods. Look at the greats such as Armstrong, Robinson, Leonard, Moore, Marciano, Ali etc..They all trained "old school" and ended up all time greats. Nothing fancy. Just old fashioned stuff like roadwork, Calisthenics, wood chopping, rowing and pulleys and look what it did for them which leads me to believe that there aren't any "advances" to modern training methods. I think it has more to do with the individual and what he does in the ring rather than the methods he used to get in shape...assuming he is in shape.

 

Started to see pad work creeping in gyms in the early '70s, d. To the best of my recollection, in the '40s, '50s 'n '60s fighters just sparred, hit heavy and light bags, shadowboxed, skipped rope and did floor work.

 

It's not possible for professional boxers to eat 5-7 times a day, and leave 2 hours or more before training, and train 4+ hours a day, and sleep 10+ hours a day too. There are not enough hours in a day.

 

40 maybe. As John Garfield says, early 70s. If anyone knows of it earlier, I'm all ears. I'm definitely no expert on this area of history.

 

What are you saying is six years ? Pad work ? Dumbell punching ? Neck strengthening ?
Pad work's been used since the early 70s at least, and the other two are as old as the hills. I mean, old like maybe going back to ANCIENT GREECE !

 

Ofcourse its possible, its called a training split? You split up 1-2 workouts, 2-3hours each including a warm up. If you're training intensely for more than 2 hours at a time you become catabolic (well you will after 1 hour but 2hours), which means your muscle breaks down, and you'll become weaker, thats not the way to develop strength.

Who sleeps 10+ hours a day?

You can actually pack in 3-4training sessions, while eating several times

Wake 6am - run 30-60mins
6:30am breakfast/protein shake
8-10am - boxing workout
10:00am - meal/protein shake no2
12:00pm - boxing workout
2:00pm -Meal no3
4pm - Boxing Workout 2/Weights
6pm - Meal no4
8-9pm - Meal no5
10pm - Sleep

Obviously if you're going to the gym to **** about and not train intensely you need longer, but 2hours is mroe than sufficent for but thats 4 workouts and still time for 5 meals, most will only have 2 workouts a day at the most and then you can ramp it upto 7meals, smaller meals though

To tell the truth if you are only eating 2-3 times a day your meal size will be larger and you will store more bodyfat, your recovery will also take longer.

Haye/Holyfield/Tyson amongst others all eat/ate 5-7 times per day while training, and also use pre-workout supplements into the bargain.