1.Roberto Duran 2.Ray Robinson 3.Henry Armstrong. 4.Muhamad Ali 5.Willie Pep 6.Ray Leonard 7.Ezzard Charles 8.Pernell Whittaker 9Julio Cesar Chavez 10.Sam Langford Harry Greb,Sandy Sadler,Benny Leonard,Carlos Monzon,Marvin Hagler,Barbados Joe right behind. Actually you could arrange the top 3 any way you want and I wouldnt disagree, I just put Duran cause hes my favorite,and cause hes at least 3 anyways.
Excellent list, here's mine: 1 Mike Tyson 2 Rocky Marciano 3 Koki Kameda 4 Oscar De La Hoya 5 Iran Barkley 6 Jack Dempsey 7 Joe Calzaghe 8 Barry McGuigan 9 Paul Williams 10 Edward Rackley
I just think these are the only guys you have seen Box and you only threw in Langford,Jackson,Walcott,Smith,Burley,Armstrong in so that you can make people think that you know about boxing.:verysad
How did you know that was coming? - @anarci: In my opinion of course: Duran shouldn't exceed spot 6. Whitaker shouldn't be above 15/16 Langford should be top 4. Ali shouldn't be top 4, nobody should but Robinson, Greb, Armstrong & Langford. Obviously therefore Greb should be a lot higher. Leonard shouldn't be top 10, no higher than 12/13/14. Chavez is way too high. I'd hesistate to put him top 20. 27-32 sounds about right. Ezzard Charles should be in there somewhere, no lower than #7/8.
Mine would probably be: 1 Sammy Langford 2 Harry Greb 3 Sugar Ray Robinson 4 Henry Armstrong 5 Ezzard Charles 6 Roberto Duran 7 Willie Pep 8 Benny Leonard 9 Mickey Walker 10 Bob Fitzsimmons Slate away. (Before any says, Ali is #11. Easily interchangable with Fitz)
Im ready, I can make a case for anyone on this list,although Duran at 1 might be biased but hes no lower than 3. I am well schooled in the sweet science and ready for anyone who thinks they are gonna school me in Boxing 101.
atsch I messed up and Forgot Charles so i edited my list I have him at 7,Its difficult for me to rate Langford and some turn of the century greats whos fighting technique was almost stoneage,however I know guys like Langford,Barbados Joe have incredible resumes there fore i do mention them.Ali was the Greatest Heavyweight of all time and Unbeatable in before the draft. Greb was great and deserves to be around 10 but Tiger Flowers had his #. Leonard had a great resume regardless of only having 40 fights and also the best fighter of the last 30 years. Chavez has become severly underrated on ESB and Ive stated my reasons a Zillion times on this forum
I'd like to here your reasoning for having Langford and Greb so far given the quality and depth of both of their resumés. I mean Langford's consists of Joe Gans, Harry Wills, Jeff Clark, Joe Jeanette, Philadelphia Jack O'Brien, Sam McVey, draw with Barbados Joe, Kid Norfolk, George Godfrey, Gunboat Smith and Jack Blackburn to name a few. And Greb's is arguably even better, wins over Gene Tunney, Tiger Flowers, Tommy Loughran, Mickey Walker, Maxie Rosenbloom, Al McCoy, Gunboat Smith, Jack Renault, Jack Dilllon, Battling Levinsky, Mike McTigue, Billy Miske, Jack Blackburn, Tommy Gibbons & Kid Norfolk.
IVe already mentioned my reasons for Langford. Greb has an awesome resume and although Boxing had improved technique wise I just cant see him beating the guys I have above him. Besides 10 or 11 is a pretty prestigious ranking, i feel there is only thin hairs seperating the top of the atg list. Like I said before Tiger Flowers owned Greb. Archie Moore also deserves to be mentioned here.
Iran Barkley ? top10 p4p all time ? no. check boxrec and then youtube for why. not even top 30. what did he do p4p to deserve being above leonard ? losing a SD to a midget duran ? getting stopped in 1st rd by nigel benn ? stopped by toney ? he was not even a top 20 fighter in any of the divisions he ever was in. and williams with his physical advantages also does not deserve to be here especially considering his loss to a quintana despite avenging it convincingly. so many fighters deserve to be there more at least than these 2 : ray leonard , young peter jackson who went a longer distance with jack johnson than langford did , and stopped langford himself btw. ezzard charles , qawi (why tyson yes marciano yes and him no ?) , james toney , even roid jones , jorge fernando castro and reggie johnson also deserve being there more than barkley for sure and more than williams clearly.
Hardly any of them fought in the same weight range as him, so that's a pretty irrelevant criteria. No, he didn't. Those are very disputed decisions, and Greb was an aging, half-blind warrior by that time anyway.
Yes, arguably the Greatest Heavyweight Of All-Time, but unbeatable before the draft? I don't really think so. No doubt he had outstanding ability. The foot & hand speed of a light-weight, great lateral movement, confidence, a great chin, ability to sustain heavy-damage to the body, an ATG jab, a very good right hand before it, and blistering combinations, not to mention under-rated power. But 'unbeatable'? That's a strong word. He had his flaws like every fighter. He was so good defensively because of his feet, when it comes down to it, if a guy cut the ring off well as Frazier did, he was open and hittable, especially with that left-hook. And in that regard, when he couldn't time Frazier's head-movement, he didn't know how to go to the body and put on a sustained attack. Also, he relied on a guy coming to him. He didn't know how to really go about pressing a fighter. I think Frazier had the beating of him. The FOTC would back me up on this. This was the fight with a prime Frazier and arguably a prime Ali. He may of missed his 'real' prime years in '68/69, but he certainly wasn't past his best. He was still in shape and still at the top of his game. And Frazier beat him. Ali would always have a chance of getting beaten by a top-level pressure fighter like Frazier or even Marciano, and may struggle to break down a defensively orientated fighter. Flowers? Greb was past his prime when Tiger beat him, and Greb showed what he could do when he wasn't so far attached from his prime years when he edged a newspaper decision over Flowers earlier. Regardless, you can't place him outside the top 4 in regards with his resumé, and if you are knocking him down for losing a trilogy to Tiger, then you can't knock him down 6 places for losing to a awkward, tricky southpaw with a tight-guard that would of given anybody problems & was a great in his own right. True, but he also lost in his prime years to a lightweight - albeit not just any lightweight in Duran - and was getting outboxed by Hearns, while also perhaps fortunate to get a decision over Hagler. Great wins all of those, but 2 that he could easily of lost and 1 that he actually did in Duran, although avenged. Benitez is a great win aswell, I mean I'm not arguably that despite a short resumé, it's outstanding, but top 10 I think is pushing it. Longetivity does count for something you know. I've never picked up on any of your posts about him I'm afraid to say. I'd like to here a case for having him top 10 though if you wouldn't mind, no matter how brief your defence of him may be.
Frankenfrank is obviously an alias and/or just a new troll account. He makes it more and more clear each time he posts. No actual person could be as amazingly stupid as he portrays himself.
If you look around more carefully, you will see my real list, rather than the one I patched together to take the **** out of your own car-crash of a top 10 P4P list. Please go back to the General Forum. I honestly can't deal with reading any more of your ****. The Classic has a reputation for having the most-knowledgable posters on the site, posters who I wish to learn from, rather than picking up on your ******ed posts.