Please Participate--All Time Lightweight Survey (POLL CLOSED!!)

:huh oooooh! so paul williams is the #1 welter, and also the Greatest welter of all time!!!! :admin:good

 

you can all make great points about frankenfranks list but it will make no difference to him

god bless him if he was not here we would all miss him

 

Good to see Gans get an honourable mention.

 

(1) i don't know if he can still make 147
(2) and a loss to quintana does not put him too high even if well avenged.
but he really is awesome as both a 147 and 154.
though p4p - in its true intention - he is nothing special

 

because he could have never stay too much time in that weight.

 

don't forget from what weights he came from.
he was 126-130 for 5 years (2003-2008) till he was 29.
so he can still make 135.
very simple.
maybe you think he can't make 140 any longer cause dlh was a long time 154 and pac came in heavier according to you.

 

J. Gans
B. Leonard
R. Duran
I. Williams
C. Ortiz
H Armstrong
P. Whitaker
A. Arguello
T. Canzoneri
B. Ross

So many guys just spent too few fights at the weight, despite having absolutely terrific wins and/or ability-demonstrating performances there (Chavez, Mosley, etc.) to make it in. :-(

I knew I would hate doing this, and not be happy with my final selections no matter how much time there was. But here they are. Sticking with these. Want real bad to push Pea higher or squeeze Sugar in. Won't.

be strong, ib

 

Paul Williams was at 147 just last year too, yet you just said you don't believe he can still make that weight.

 

Im saving Manny for Super Feather. Thats were i will unleash him.:good


Also i wanted to add this.

If you said to any Pure Boxing Fan 3 Years ago that Pacquaio would one day fight Dela Hoya at 145, Hatton at 140 and Cotto at 145 Everyone in here would have said BULL**** NEVER HAPPAN.

And he may even fight PBF at a catchweight.

Thats why he gets nothing but the up most respect from me.

I mean in 2006
Cotto was fighting Quintana at 147
Dela Hoya fought Mayorga at 154
Hatton fought Collazo at 147

I have to take my hat for that. Have too. But because of only 1 fight at 135 it lets him down.

But i see the other guys point. If he was to stay at 135 he would have ruled and beat all fighters like

Casamayor
Marquez Again Maybe
Juan Diaz
Amir Khan
Michael Katsidis
Joan Guzman
Edwin Valero
Nate Campbell

But Instead he really pushed his bounderies IMO. I never thought Pacman would after seeing the David Diaz fight, fight above 135. He could have had all those scalps but instead choose Dela Hoya, Hatton now Cotto and maybe even PBF in the future.

 

Rumsfeld is only doing the original 8 divisions. Next stop: featherweight. :nono

 

Well Manny is going to have to make that list then IB, He deserves to be on a list that is for sure.

 

Manny didn't do enough work at any particular weight to crack any of the lists. His merits are as a weight jumper, therefore he'd place higher P4P (comparatively) than he would at any particular weight. He didn't accomplish enough at Featherweight to be included in the top 20, much less top 10.

 

This is a hard one. Lighweight might be the most talent-stacked division in history but here goes;

Roberto Duran
Benny Leonard
Pernell Whitaker
Joe Gans
Henry Armstrong
Carlos Ortiz
Ike Williams
Packy McFarland
Tony Canzoneri
Alexis Arguello

There's 2 or 3 guys I can't quite believe didn't make the top 10 but there it is.

 

1 roberto duran
2 benny leornard
3 joe gans
4 pernell whitaker
5ike williams
6 henry armstrong
7 carlos ortiz
8 tony canzonori
9 barney ross
10 alexis arguello

 

My understanding is once the original weights are completed, Rummy will be doing a p4p all-time survey as well. If you have Pac in your top ten based on his weight-jumping success, you can certainly include him there. As it is, going strictly by the original weights, he didn't stay put long enough at either 126 or 135 to warrant consideration under either. You'd certainly be more justified holding out for the p4p survey to give him his props. :good