:roflatschatsch. dude, watch again the first srl and duran fight. and tell me who is the bigger person? jesus christ, you blindly take this **** selfkill. have you seen the fight? hearns was freakishly tall.
honestly probably about 20-25 ATG. He has done well. As of right now he has done what you expect an ATG would do. If he beats Cotto Mosley and Mayweather I would think he might be near 10-15. At this point going up the list is hard since those guys on there deserve it also. I think Pacman's people picked Cotto because he is a bit worn out, but it still looks like a challenge. I pick Pacman to win by midround stoppage on cuts. I never said Duran was not great. I said he is not worthy of top 10 ATG. top 5 or top 10 guys are almost perfection.
Probably because he was at his optimal performance at 135lbs, and the fact he even moved up to put on performances like he did against strong contender Palamino, and the second greatest ever at the weight in prime undefeated Ray Leonard, speaks volumes. Soley on displaying a stupid amount of dominance down at 135lbs, moving up and beating, outfighting undefeated ATG Ray Leonard at 147lbs, looking stellar against Carlos Palamino, demolishing, absolutely destroying bigger undefeated champion Davey Moore, before finally putting on a masterful performance against Barkley, who was fresher and practically a Light Heavyweight in the ring. De Jesus and Bunchanan were wonderful Lightweights. Ray Leonard, Ken Bunchanan, De Jesus x2, Carlos Palamino, Davey Moore, Iran Barkley. Coupled with the countless contenders he dealt with, whilst moving from 135 to 160. Duran was supposed to be at the very end of his career, and Moore was good enough to have won a world title. He'd go on to knockout Wilfred Benitez. He was decimated, a horrendous beating unfolded. Duran had no business being competitive with Marvin Hagler at the peak of his powers up at 160. This guy is nothing but a Lightweight for christ sake. It's a credit to Duran that he was competitive, and took Hagler the distance when so many couldn't. Speculation I know that you fool, I was just saying that Barkley was so big he could have easily campaigned as a Light Heavyweight. He dwarfed the aging Duran, who would proceed to put on a masterful performance, countering at will. He became a 4 weight world champion as a result. Statistic's don't tell the whole story. Duran beat the best at Lightweight, the best at Welterweight, and was operating far more effectively than expected at 154 and 160, putting on valiant performances, and in 2 cases putting on wonderful displays against fresher, younger, bigger champions. Longevity wise, Duran was sublime. In terms of resume, he has a very deep one, and his skills speak for themselves. He was a multi-dimensional fighter, and the manner in which he won some of his fights up at higher weights also have to be factored. Great, great fighter.
Of course I've seen the fight. I wasn't expecting you to concede Scatterbrain, it's beyond your comprehension. Ray was an established Welterweight, had always fought as such, whereas Duran had been fighting 135lbs guys for the majority of his career. In hindsight of how good Ray Leonard turned out to be, the fact anyone could beat him at his peak is damn impressive, even more so that it came at the hands of a fighter who'd fought the majority of his career at Lightweight. Not hard to understand really.
Sounds like a you were going to answer that no matter where I ranked Pacman. All I want is facts to why Duran is ATG 5-10 and you guys cannot give it.. Not in convincing ways.
There's more to being great than who you fought and beat. Longevity, weight classes spanned, skill set, and resume are all big factors. Duran ranks highly in all of them.
ray was an established welterweight? dude, they fought 1980, barely 4 years after srl won a gold at the montreal olympics. duran was 29 years old at the time. at the peak of his physical prime much like cotto is now. the body matures and it is an established fact that duran was fighting tuneups already at 151 lbs. cotto and duran practically are the same height and you can see that cotto has matured physically that is why he is now at 147. although he campaigned in the lower weights just as duran did. i like duran even if i am an srl fan. and just as i have previously posted, he fought a magnificent fight. but do not make it appear as if duran is like jmm who is at most a lw. duran was not. the apex of his fighting career is at welterweight and he proved it by beating the champ.
i said, Manny will never fight a guy like Hearns, and you get all emotional, quit the bull****, clown.
don't be stupid, if hearns was fighting at 140, pac will surely fight him. your mexican idols will not even fight someone as small as cotto. :rofl
and by the way, i'm a ****in Boxing fan, so dont come to me with that "mexican idols" ****. i love Manny, but the fact is Duran is greater and thats that.
