McCallum vs. Monzon

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  1. MRBILL

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    You don't have to KO your opponent early to have an easy time with him......... You can also have a fairly easy time by sticking and moving and keeping the fight in your control by boxing in the center of the ring....

    While I feel McCallum could and would outbox shorter, smaller fighters like "Naps and Griffith" in the ring, I doubt McCallum would score early KO's in them dream matches..... I clearly see McCallum stopping Naps before 10 rds, while perhaps forced into going the distance with Griffith.... Still, I see McCallum beating BOTH of them dudes in a time machine.........

    Johnny Boy,

    Screw the cards........... "Jones-McCallum" of 1996 consisted of all 10-9 rds on the scorecards.... All rds were fairly close..... Jones was too young and too spry at age 27 to McCallum's aging 39 year old body....... However, all in all, Jones didn't make McCallum look like a dick or anything.......
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  2. TheGreatA

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    Mr. Bill tends to exaggerate his posts.

    It was not a close fight but it was a decent effort by a 40 year old man. Don't forget that Roy Jones had been knocking most people out at that point, with only Toney having gone the distance in recent years (and that had been 3 years earlier).

    The three official judges were from Jones's hometown and would have scored every round for him even if the fight had actually been close.

    The HBO team did think for a while that McCallum was "exposing" Jones but McCallum faded while Jones started letting his hands go. Jones never came close to knocking him out though.

    I wouldn't really bring that fight up under any circumstances to be honest, not as a positive or a negative. McCallum was clearly a diminished fighter at that point.
     
  3. JohnThomas1

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    Exactly, it's a pretty meaningless fight all said and done.

    As for Jones not knocking him out or coming close, i think it was said Jones coasted out of great respect somewhere? Can't remember the exact source or credability now.
     
  4. MRBILL

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    The overall Goddamn point is, Jones didn't beat the **** outta McCallum in 1996 on HBO where it was even remotely considered as an ugly beatdown of a once great fighter....... The fight was NOT a beatdown, but rather a good boxing match in which Jones won...........

    Again, McCallum hanging in there with Jones at age 39 was pretty damn impressive, considering that Jones was primed at age 27..........

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  5. TheGreatA

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    He landed some bombs on McCallum's chin so I'm not sure. McCallum had a tested chin and he was still good enough to avoid most of the blows and counter when necessary.
     
  6. MRBILL

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    Either way, McCallum was another one of them rare guys who could still compete effectively on the elite level near or at age 40......... Sure he had slipped and dipped by then, but in a sense, that's impressive and somewhat scary to consider how well he could still box at 40 yrs of age.........

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  7. TheGreatA

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    He put up a pretty good effort against Toney at crusierweight.

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  8. MRBILL

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    I missed that rubber match.... I was working and spaced off my VCR setting........ I read it was dull, but Toney clearly won......... I think McCallum retired after the decision loss.... Peace....

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  9. MRBILL

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    I do, however, think McCallum's punching-power was somewhat fabled........ M.M. had decent power between 154 to 160, but not even close to wicked power....... More so "Beatdown" type power.......

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  10. JohnThomas1

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    The overall Goddam point is you called the fight close, and it wasn't. There's a lot of these points lately :lol:

    You make the wildest statements.
     
  11. JohnThomas1

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    McCallum was savvy, no doubt.
     
  12. JohnThomas1

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    That's what top shelf technicians with good chins do, McCallum, Moore, Duran, Holmes etc etc etc.
     
  13. JohnThomas1

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    Where was it fabled, i've never ever seen anyone claim it to be great or fearsome.
     
  14. MRBILL

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    I was thinking back yrs ago at around 154 pounds when his name "The Body-Snatcher" was given to him because of his fearsome body attack. But as great as McCallum in the skill department was, he never reminded me of Joe Frazier in the sense of attacking one's body.........

    And McCallum never displayed a right cross to the chops of his victims to a park a mo-fo like a prime Thomas Hearns used to do.......

    Though McCallum's left-hook that bounced off Curry's jaw in '87 on HBO was wicked.........

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  15. JohnThomas1

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    I think he was given that more so that his old school body attack stood out so much in the modern era rather than any frightening power of it. He consistently and methodically attacked his opponents body, and they sure knew they were in a fight. More so than just his excellent power to the body, he had a very high output.

    It was a classic punch the Curry hook, aided substancially by the Curry family chin, but nonetheless it belongs on the great KO highlight reels.