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Miguel Cotto ending Pacmans career...

Discussion in 'World Boxing Forum' started by Primadonna Kool, Oct 8, 2009.

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charlievint Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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Thinman said: ↑

1- The weight that Hoya fought at was a weight withing the welterweight division, (being the maximum weight allowed 147), but Hoya wasn't a welterweight fighter.

2- There was a weight limit (maximum weight) stipulated in the contract for Hoya and that was 147 lbs.

3- If there is a weight limit stipulated in the contract of any fighter that pretty much prohibit the fighter who belongs to the higher weight class to weigh or come up to the maximum weight allowed for his weight class, then the fight is a catch weight fight.

Hoya = A Jr. Middleweight fighter; 147+ up to 154 lbs.
Pac = A Lightweight fighter; 130+ up to 135 lbs.

Roach: "We can fight Oscar but at 147 Lbs."

In other words we can't fight him at 154 (his weight class)..... He has to come down in weight (at a catchweight) and that weight was 147, which wasn't Hoya's weight class. This wasn't the traditional catch weight fights we usually see.... it was a catch weight fight between two boxers who were apart for more than one division/weightclass.

It is irrelevant if the weight they fought at was the maximum weight allowed for a especific weight class, (in this case the WW class) or the fight "was a legitimate Welter weight fight" as you put it.... bottom line is that the weight and the weight class they fought at wasn't Hoya's weight class nor Pac's weight class.

They fought pretty much at a 'catch weight-class' to put it in another way.... and if they fought at a catch weight-class, then they fought at a 'catch weight'.

If that isn't good enough for you, then there isn't anything I can say to make you think otherwise.

You have your opininion and I have mine..... I respect yours I hope you respect mine.....
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I see your view....we just dont' agree and I respect your stance.

charlievint, Nov 14, 2009

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Primadonna Kool said: ↑

Now..

I'm not saying this in bad way, i don't want any serious life threatening injuries sustained by the fighters in this fight...

But ive made threads before...about the Pacman hype.

And i have stated that, people have gotten carried away.

I believe this fight is at a catch weight of 145..?

If Manny Pac is so good, why can't he face a fighter at their actual weightclass insted of...making his oponents drop weight ALL THE TIME..?

What are they trying to achieve..? Some kind of an advantage..?

He's not pound for pound number 1, not by a long shot..

For what..?

I just believe on November 14th, it is the end of the PACMAN hype, at the top of the sport.

Because he is going to sustain a voilent beat down...

I don't even think Miguel Cotto is the best Welter Weight out there..

But thats just it, Pacman decided to play with he big boys..

And he is now going to pay..

Migeul Cotto, will not be a weight drainned Oscar De La Hoya..

Miguel Cotto is a voilent man and i think he is slightly desturbed.

When he sees his own blood..it only makes him fight harder...

The fight is over already, done..!

Game, Set...and Match...!
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bumpytybump!! kill yourself ****** LOL

jimbeam, Nov 15, 2009

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this is why I dont make prediction threads.

They have a nasty habit of blowing up in your ****ing face.

MexicanJew, Nov 15, 2009

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PugilisticPower said: ↑

Cotto will represent the most powerful puncher Pacquaio has ever faced, one of the fastest with handspeed, one of the most complete in terms of punching arsenal and someone who represents pretty good defense until he tires, then he's a wee bit open.

Cotto arguably has the best resume at 147 of any active fighter, the Margarito loss can be questioned due to the handwrap saga, but take a look at who he has faced there - Clottey, Mosley, Margarito, Judah and Quintana.
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put this ****** in suicide watch LOL

jimbeam, Nov 15, 2009

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Chileno606 said: ↑

Cotto is going to Club Pacquiao like a baby seal.
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another ****** to be on suicide list LOL

jimbeam, Nov 15, 2009

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PugilisticPower said: ↑

I don't even think he needs to fight smart to win. I think his power will stun Pacquaio early, his movement in the early should keep him away from the power shots Pacquaio usually lands early and it will be a race to the 6th round.

If he tires, like he did in other fights, he might be in trouble against Pacquaio who is relentlessly conditioned.

But prior to that? I think he'll avoid the major shots Pacquaio throws, land to the body and land to the jaw of Pacquaio at will for the first few rounds and that could be enough to finish the job.
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I want to hear your take on Pacquiao now after this fight. No disrespect intended, but you always were one of his doubters and naysayers, albeit a very knowledgable boxing fan.

caneman, Nov 15, 2009

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End his career

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The fight might have ended Pac's career, afterall, who the **** would want to fight Pac right now?

Xanthro, Nov 15, 2009

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Pac looked better tonight than he EVER has..... Mayweather vs. Pac MUST be made....

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A career was ruined alright. But it sure wasn't Pac's..

Vengeance, Nov 15, 2009

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caneman said: ↑

I want to hear your take on Pacquiao now after this fight. No disrespect intended, but you always were one of his doubters and naysayers, albeit a very knowledgable boxing fan.
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Absolutely surprised by his physical talents. It was never about whether or not Pacquaio was a good boxer, I solely bought into the hype that Pacquaio was extending himself to be higher than 140.

Pacquaio is as natural at 147 as he was at 130, in fact his chin seems better. I've never seen his face be that puffy in a fight before which shows the amount of leather he took.

My prediction got derailed, not because of how each fighter went - but how Pacquaio was able to take the shots of Cotto, because he did take the shots early that I thought would have him in trouble, they just didn't have him in trouble.

PugilisticPower, Nov 15, 2009

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Primadonna Kool said: ↑

Now..

I'm not saying this in bad way, i don't want any serious life threatening injuries sustained by the fighters in this fight...

But ive made threads before...about the Pacman hype.

And i have stated that, people have gotten carried away.

I believe this fight is at a catch weight of 145..?

If Manny Pac is so good, why can't he face a fighter at their actual weightclass insted of...making his oponents drop weight ALL THE TIME..?

What are they trying to achieve..? Some kind of an advantage..?

He's not pound for pound number 1, not by a long shot..

For what..?

I just believe on November 14th, it is the end of the PACMAN hype, at the top of the sport.

Because he is going to sustain a voilent beat down...

I don't even think Miguel Cotto is the best Welter Weight out there..

But thats just it, Pacman decided to play with he big boys..

And he is now going to pay..

Migeul Cotto, will not be a weight drainned Oscar De La Hoya..

Miguel Cotto is a voilent man and i think he is slightly desturbed.

When he sees his own blood..it only makes him fight harder...

The fight is over already, done..!

Game, Set...and Match...!
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:hi::hi::rofl:rofl

Stovepipe, Nov 15, 2009

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PugilisticPower said: ↑

Absolutely surprised by his physical talents. It was never about whether or not Pacquaio was a good boxer, I solely bought into the hype that Pacquaio was extending himself to be higher than 140.

Pacquaio is as natural at 147 as he was at 130, in fact his chin seems better. I've never seen his face be that puffy in a fight before which shows the amount of leather he took.

My prediction got derailed, not because of how each fighter went - but how Pacquaio was able to take the shots of Cotto, because he did take the shots early that I thought would have him in trouble, they just didn't have him in trouble.
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I won $$$$

Stovepipe, Nov 15, 2009

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Primadonna Kool said: ↑

Now..

I'm not saying this in bad way, i don't want any serious life threatening injuries sustained by the fighters in this fight...

But ive made threads before...about the Pacman hype.

And i have stated that, people have gotten carried away.

I believe this fight is at a catch weight of 145..?

If Manny Pac is so good, why can't he face a fighter at their actual weightclass insted of...making his oponents drop weight ALL THE TIME..?

What are they trying to achieve..? Some kind of an advantage..?

He's not pound for pound number 1, not by a long shot..

For what..?

I just believe on November 14th, it is the end of the PACMAN hype, at the top of the sport.

Because he is going to sustain a voilent beat down...

I don't even think Miguel Cotto is the best Welter Weight out there..

But thats just it, Pacman decided to play with he big boys..

And he is now going to pay..

Migeul Cotto, will not be a weight drainned Oscar De La Hoya..

Miguel Cotto is a voilent man and i think he is slightly desturbed.

When he sees his own blood..it only makes him fight harder...

The fight is over already, done..!

Game, Set...and Match...!
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uh oops your bad. November fools right? :bbb

J Griz 757, Nov 15, 2009

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