Pound-for-Pound, Manny Pacquiao is the greatest fighter since Pernell Whitaker.

Discussion in 'World Boxing Forum' started by horst, Nov 15, 2009.


  1. Danny_Rand

    Danny_Rand Slick N Quick Full Member

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    You've got to be kidding. Griffin was running for his life at the time of the DQ. It was the second time ROy had dropped him and with the drop he would have been up 1, 2, and 3 points on the judges scorecards respectively. He was just about to end it.

    And you're gonna compare that to a draw and a controversial win lol? My god you sucking on those sweaty pinoy balls.
     
  2. horst

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    But Hopkins did not fight in the same style in 1993 as he did in his 2001 pomp. The guy had only ever had one 12 round fight, and Bernard was never a Tyson KO machine. His win over Hopkins cannot be written off, no way, but the only reason we are discussing it is that Rand said it was better than Pacquiao's wins over Barrera and Marquez. Sorry, but the 1993 version of Hopkins with one 12 round fight experience and a different style to the peak version was not a better fighter than the 2003 Barrera or the 2008 Marquez, no way. JMHO.
     
  3. GDG

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    Chances are you've never seen Pea fight.

    The difference to me is that whilst both of these guys were immensley physically gifted (RJJ slightly moreso), Whitaker had better actual boxing talent and fundementals.

    There really isn't a great deal between them in P4P and resume, but the difference is that Pea never left any question marks about fighters he could've faced whereas Roy (like him or not), didn't always take on the best out there.

    It was reluctant Roy not Pensive Pea.
     
  4. Danny_Rand

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    technically as a boxer maybe. But in terms of how thoroughly he crushed his opponents, not even close.
     
  5. dangerousity

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    Didnt Roy have a controversial win over Tarver first fight? :deal
     
  6. horst

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    The guy I was responding to said that Jones barely lost a round in his prime. My point was that he lost several to Griffin.

    Marquez is a much better fighter than Griffin was, just like most of Pac's comp was better than most of Roy's comp. That's why it's not a big deal that Roy lost fewer rounds in his prime.

    If Pac had fought only two fights against HOF opponents like Roy did (Hop & Toney) he would have lost far fewer rounds, but Pac had many more fights against HOF opposition.

    Do you still not understand this you hate-filled little man?
     
  7. horst

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    Ha ha.
     
  8. Imperial1

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    Sure about that do you even know how long I have been following

    boxing ??

    What real question marks are we talking about when it comes to Roy ??Darius M ? Really who did he not fight that pretty much ruins his legacy ? Jones p4p wise held the number 1 spot for almost 10 yrs please tell me when Pea had such a run ??
     
  9. horst

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    Yes, Roy had better punch power. But so what? Pea was the better boxer all-round, and that why he gets more extra points.

    And actually, if you watch Pea's fights with guys like Juan Nazario, Greg Haugen, and the second McGirt fight, you will see he could really put guys to the sword as well.
     
  10. Danny_Rand

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    The only difference between the 2001 and 1993 Hop is that Hopkins got old and had to adapt his style so instead of straight dominating and KO'ing folks he was more crafty. his numbers immediately after the ROy Jones fight dont lie. Something like a 90% KO percentage.
     
  11. horst

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    And this post tells me you haven't seen all of Bernard Hopkins's fight. Don't lie or I will quiz you on it - have you seen all of Hopkins's fights from around '91/2 onwards?
     
  12. horst

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    Got bored of this subject now?

     
  13. Danny_Rand

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    Nobody on Pacs resume compares to Hopkins or Tney. Nobody has accomplished what they did throughout there careers. Roy Jones jumping from middleweight and winning a title at heavy is alot more impressive then PAc jumping from bantam to welter, simply for the fact that the smaller weights are shorter margins and its alot safer fighting little guys then in divisions where EVERYONE has a ko punch.

    Sure Pac and Jones both fought their share of David Diaz's and Ricky Hattons, but Roy Jones beat 2 ATG's, and a host of Hofers.

    :rofl

    Hate? Sorry, not only am I 6'3 225 but I am also not full of hate. I would scoff the same way if someone said Floyd was better then ROy Jones. Out of all of the fighters who have come and gone over the last 10 years, Jones is the only one that I feel deserves to be in the pantheon of Duran, Leonard and Robinson. He was that good. Pac never made it look as easy as Roy did.
     
  14. GDG

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    Well Pea was never a mainstream fighter that much is for sure, but I don't see how that's relevant.

    Pea's win over Chavez is head and shoulders superior to anything Roy has, and Jones didn't fight the man in 2 of the divisions he won titles at (LHW and HW). We never got the re-match with Hopkins that the sport was crying out for either. Beating Ruiz gets a lot of credit, but can you imagine the criticism Floyd or Pac would get if they went up to get a belt at 154 and fought Yuri Foreman??

    I'm a huge RJJ fan, I think H2H he has a great chance against any MW/SMW in history, but I don't think you'll see very many credible list that put him ranked over Whitaker to be honest.

    Don't forget that once their primes left them, RJJ got brutally KO'd twice whereas Whitaker was still competetive against DLH and to a lesser extent Tito...this is because he had greater boxing fundementals that RJJ when their respective athletic abilities left them.

    P.s RJJ was top pf the ring P4P ranking at the end of 3 years...Pea at the end of 3 also. Pea was also 2nd for 2 years behind JCC who he ended up beating!!!
     
  15. Danny_Rand

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    Roy had better punching power, all around athlete, and probably faster aswell.

    Sweet pea was better technician. But Roy was in Ali's class when it came to just being a superior physical specimen.
    Nobodies talking about putting people to the sword jackass. We are talking H2H dominance.