Myth's Of Boxing??? The Great Debate

I can't believe someone beat me to that.

Holyfield >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Tyson.

I suspect nobody knew that more deep down than Mike himself (and Don King).

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In fact, IMO a lot of the whole ''Tyson'' thing is a myth. No doubt he was a great story in the history of the division, but other than unifying against a bunch of shot/terrified opponents, and defending against similar guys, what did he actually do?

Only one guy stood up to him in his supposed prime, and knocked him the **** out. D'Amato this, Rooney that - his mental fragilities were always going to be brutally exposed..... it would have been Holyfield rather than Douglas (as he was next in line) that would have done it regardless.

 

Holyfield beat Tyson on every single level. He out thought him, out boxed him. out manned him.......

 

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Oops........

In that instance it was (or would have been) true.

It's not a word I use that often - as opposed to Le Forum d'Generale

 

yeah a tyson who had been inactive for 4 yrs.

he only had 4 short comeback fights.

it's too easy to say holyfield would have always beat him.

such a shame it fell thru in 91.

remember how cooper had holyfield in all that trouble. :scaredas:

makes ya wonder what tyson would have done to a holyfield in that state.

tyson in the 1st ruddock fight was razor sharp and motivated and that was post douglas.

not going out on a limb and saying tyson would have beaten him had they fought earlier.

just saying think about it. :hey :yep

 

Just 4 comeback fights? How many do you think he would have needed? Tyson was an on top fighter and Holy had his number.

 

I think the best way to describe Tyson's career post-jail is ''dry-rot''.

Alright KO'ing bums like Seldon and ''mentally retired'' fighters like Bruno (which he was) - very big difference between that and a motivated, last chance saloon Evander Holyfield.

 

Biggest myth is a a good big un beats a good little un.

 

usually:d

 

For me, Ali Liston two was a legit knockdown but I believe he could have continued. What does it for me, is the tumble he has when he gets on his knee. He is perfectly steady, it would actually take some doing to lose balance at that position.

I think we see by Ali's reaction that he believes that Sonny could and should have got up and continued.

Why he didn't? I dunno. I would like to think it was simply because Ali had completely mentally over powered him to the point where he had lost all confidence and simply decided it wasn't worth it to continue but, we all know that SL had some very nasty people lurking somewhere behind him and we can never rule out a profitable dive, especially in those mafia run days.
Again, if it was a dive, I would like to think that SL did it only because he felt he had no other choice and not to line his own pocket.

 

After that first punch Liston saw the second fight going the same way as the first. He was going to get humiliated by that loud mouth braggart again and didn't fancy it.

 

apparently Kos isnt rich

 

I don't think the old adage that the last thing a boxer loses is his punch is always true. Because a punch is all about timing and having the quick reactions to land it perfectly, I sometimes think a punch can be the first thing to go. Particularly thinking of Naz v Barrera and then Calvo.

The whole 'if he'd been dedicated thing' too, it's like saying if he could punch or if he had a granite chin, it's another intangible but just as important. If you don't have the drive to train hard then something's missing. On that note I don't believe that Kirkland Laing is as big an under achiever as some believe. I think he could have trained more consistently, sure but after being stopped by Colin Jones I don't believe he cut any corners for the rematch but it still wasn't quite enough.

Also, using a speedball helps hand eye co-ordination. If so how can you do it with your eye's closed once you've mastered it?

 

ed robinson you been listenign to Jim Watt

also i agree taht Kirkland laing was definitly not the best boxer never to win a title

 

Isn't Ed Robinson a reporter on Sky?