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Pac just might be the greatest fighter P4P in history!

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Marnoff Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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If Pacquiao beats Mayweather, he's likely Top 10.

Marnoff, Nov 15, 2009

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betabong said: ↑

Bwahahahahaha! Isn't the acronym for ATG= all time great? You're contradicting your own statement! Bwahahahaha!
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Umm no... you're just an idiot... there are more than one ATG.... saying Manny is on top of that list is a no no. Dumbass.

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Manny is amazing, and I was very impressed with his win last night. HOWEVER Manny's run is abit misleading. In many ways it reminds me of Delahoya has he was moving up thought the ranks and weights. One of the Major differences is Manny as really only fought three or four fighters that were actaully bigger then him. Moving up and fighting guys that are also moving up is misleading. The guys that he has fought on his run are also misleading, all of the guys that were the top guys were coming off of getting beat down a fight or two ago. What Team Pac has really done well is timing just like Oscar did. Fighting big name fighters at the end of thier careers and getting credit as if he was beatting prime fighters at the top of thier game, when is the last time that Manny has fought a fighter coming off of a career best fight??? when is the last time that he has fought someone that hadnt lost in a three fight period or had some of the worst showing of thier careers.

Manny is amazing as I said but when you start talking about all time you have to contend with fighter that moved a greater amount of weight but didnt have the chance to win titles based on the times and the fact that thier was only one champ in eight weights and not four champions is seventeen weight classes. Or even when their was 3 champions in 14 weight classes. Guys like Archie Moore who went from welterweight to heavyweight, 147, 154, 160, 168, 175, 190, heavyweight by todays standards. No doubt had those weights been there Moore would have won titles in them.

My biggest problem with Manny is the whole weight issue, until he actaully beats a welterweight at welterweight its going to be a cloud hanging over his head just as it was for Leonard and his lt heavyweight title.

Manny is a great fighter, one of the top two of three of his era and for sure top 10 of the past 30 years, but ALL TIME is a tough nut to crack.:good
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Does Manny have to dig up Ray Robinson, get him in the ring with Ali and beat the hell out of both guys to get respect around here? Some people give more credit to fantasized skill set than actual performance FFS.

Stop whining about imagined cherrypicking when there are better examples.

8count, Nov 15, 2009

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I'm not sure about that. It's hard to put him past guys like Armstrong, Moore, and Robinson.

But he's not done yet.

BITCH ASS, Nov 15, 2009

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MrPook said: ↑

Pac is a great fighter. but that is about it. There have been lots of other great fighters before him.
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Exactly,took the words right out of my mouth :good

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Settle down now Johnny come lately's ..He great for right now but all time ?? What do we just dimiss everything the greats have done in the [past because it wasn't done in High Def ??

Imperial1, Nov 15, 2009

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All Time. He's up there with Duran, Robinson, Ali, Pep, Armstrong, Leonard, Calzaghe, Hopkins, Pryor, he's on that echelon. A clown like Mayweather couldn't carry his jock.

Pac man is just a marvel simple as that.

Quarteysjab, Nov 15, 2009

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Up there with the other greats for sure.

boxbox, Nov 15, 2009

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Let me see...
Morales beat him.
JMM beat him.
Best sideshow Oscar.
Beat sideshow Ricky.
Beat damaged good Cotto.
Beat some dude who lost to shot Morales.
Yup GOAT.

thanosone, Nov 15, 2009

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in the mind of a ******* fan, hatton = duran, and cotto = thomas hearns?? you guys act like he beat legendary fighters.. thats just plain stupid. the Ww division is kinda weak, this whole era is kinda weak, if he beats mayweather then give him some props and i would say he would be top 10-15 then, but he will never be better than ali or SRL for that matter, because he doesn't have that level of competition

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Quarteysjab said: ↑

All Time. He's up there with Duran, Robinson, Ali, Pep, Armstrong, Leonard, Calzaghe, Hopkins, Pryor, he's on that echelon. A clown like Mayweather couldn't carry his jock.

Pac man is just a marvel simple as that.
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so if mayweather beats him, then is mayweather all time great?

kenuffff, Nov 15, 2009

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randeris said: ↑

Oh come on. Im impressed with him too and all.. But come on.. Not there yet, at all.

SRR beat:
Jake LaMotta
Henry Armstrong
Tommy Bell
George Costner
Jose Basora
Artie Levine
Jimmy Doyle
Kid Gavilan
Bernard Docusen
Randy Turpin
Rocky Graziano
Bobo Olson
Gene Fullmer
Carmen Basilio

And there might be more..

Just an example. pac is nowhere near yet. (likely wont be neither)
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you have to consider the fact that its harder to get a fight nowadays compared to how they do back then. it's not like fighters today fight like thrice every two months too.. IMO if he will be a ble to beat pbf, i will put him in my top 10 ATG.

cloud_cyc, Nov 15, 2009

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And just how would you expect Manny to be defending his titles when he's too busy moving to the next weight??? He could and would but he can only fight one fighter at a time.

He fought Cotto and wise cracks say he ducked Mosely, if he fought Mosely, the other wise cracks would say he ducked Cotto. Same explanation!
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If you haven't got an argument to present then don't bother saying anything, to be honest.

Addie, Nov 15, 2009

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Addie said: ↑

If you haven't got an argument to present then don't bother saying anything, to be honest.
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top 15 self kill... pac >>>>>>> JCC pac>> pernell sorry to hurt your feelings. LOL I know truth hurts

jimbeam, Nov 15, 2009

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Im confident Manny hen manny retires in time he will be consider the number 1 p4p ever.

Id like to know in the last 40 years of a guy who has a more impressive record, its staggering the way he is going up in weight a destroying guys like Cotto, HattoN and DLH. Shocking!

jc, Nov 15, 2009

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