Addie, how do you arrive at Leonard stopping Pac early? It took him 9 to stop Howard and 11 to stop Bonds. Green was a punching bag, stationary, there to be hit, no punch and nothing to make any opponent respect him. Even palomino knocked him cold 3 years earlier
The same way Pacquaio was able to stop Hatton early, when Kosta Tsyzu couldn't even dent the same man. The great fighters raise to the occasion the better the quality of the opponent in my judgment, and if Manny is going to come forward leaving himself open against Ray Leonard, he'll be hit by a shot that's going to put him flat on his back. If it ain't early, it'll happen in the middle rounds. This should be interesting. How does Pacquiao beat Ray, Rooster? Keep in mind, I don't value your opinion in the slightest...everyone knows your agenda by now. Still be entertaining to here you formulate something from cuckoo land.
I don't think so. Of course, he could. But Manny's elusiveness, movement, and upper-body fluidity coupled with his offensive attack would make for an exciting bout. SRL has proven way more as a Welterweight and has the speed and experience to out-box someone like Pac. Along with some physical advantages to boot. I don't see a KO though.
"duran took him to the ropes and worked him over" duran would do that to manny no doubt i personly think sugar just boxes for 12 rounds on his way to a decision win
Ray Leonard stands at 5'10, sporting a 178cm reach. Manny, on the other hand, stands at 5'6 and a half, sporting a reach of 170cm. This is all as referenced by Boxrec, which can on the rare occasion offer some help. Now, even if the two were the same size I think Ray does everything better than Manny. Now when I factor in everything Ray brings to the table, and he's sporting a huge size advantage? ...Only one winner, and I don't envision Manny seeing out 12...definitely not 15.
I think Ray knows he would be criticized for not imposing himself on a smaller man coming up, and would try and make a statement. Leonard beats everyone Pacquiao has beat at 140 and higher. It goes without saying.
I didnt say Leonard couldnt beat him. I went with him on points but I'm not going to intentionally create a scenario where only Pac leaves himself open to harm so he conveniently gets taken out early. That goes both ways. rising to the occasion also applies to opponents. Terry Norris is a great example
I can only laugh at the Norris reference. You funny *******. Pacquiao has left himself open in even his most efficient, and brutally one-sided performances. Last night being a great example. It's all well and good us all remembering the fight being one sided, but go and re-watch the first 5 rounds. Cotto was winning round 4 with 20 seconds on the clock, where he got caught by a left hand that Leonard would have chuckled at. Cotto was winning round three before and after the flash knockdown. I know it's silly to say, well if those shots didn't land he would have won the rounds, but my point is pretty clear, Pacquiao was getting hit...and Cotto ain't no Leonard, not in terms of power, skills, size, stamina, ...nothing. If you ain't going to formulate an argument against mine, just leave it out Rooster. You feel Leonard wins on point, I feel Manny gets brutally stopped early or in the mid-rounds. We can disagree on that much, because as anyone of us should be willing to admit, we can revise the history of the sport all day, and we can read the textbooks, but nobody actually knows what is going to transpire in a Boxing match until it happens. So cliche, but it is indeed the theater of the unexpected. For Manny to beat Ray wouldn't be unexpected, it'd be a damn near miracle.
if pac beats pbf, his chances of him beating leonard cannot be taken lightly. still fancy leonard late in a classic
A classic beat down, absolutely. How many rounds does Cotto from last night go with prime Leonard? Think about it.
What happened last night does nothing to change my opinion of this fight. Leonard woulda stopped Manny. Pac would be completely assed out vs Leonard cause in addition to Ray being bigger, stronger, and more skilled... he was FASTER as well. Leonard KO 7.
Much as I love Pacquiao and I don't particularly care for Leonard, Sugar would dominate this fight. Leonard by mid to late KO.
No way Packer handles Hearns at 147 in 1980 / '81...... Styles make fights, and Hearns KO's Packy with long, booming right hands to the head........... I see SRL doing much of the same, but in a more methodical manner........ Hearns KO 5 Packy....... Leonard KO 8 Packy......... Both Tommy and Ray get the job done........... Peace...... MR.BILL