This proves Pac is better than Duran/Hearns/Leonard/Hagler

SRL beats him, Hearns brutalizes him, Duran could be competitive, Hagler would actually possibly lose a decision, he isn't the quickest of cats.

 

I cant believe what people are saying about Duran in this thread, Im astounded.

 

Boxrec warriors my man.

 

On topic, Pac is now ahead of Hearns and Hagler but behind SRL and Duran. I'm not sure why beating Cotto dramatically impacts on his standing in regards to the four guys mentioned?? All have considerably better victories on their resume that Miguel Cotto.

And to all those hating on Duran...let's put this into context. Pick any LW since (and there have been some greats ones) ...Whitaker....Chavez...DLH....PBF....Pac...Marquez. Then see if they can outclass the 2nd greatest Welter that ever lived?? It's no excuse but Duran was very out of shape for the re-match (though I think Leonard would have beaten him anyway)

Lets also put those same guys in against one of the greatest MW's ever (Hagler), none are seeing the bell and certainly wouldn't be leading on the cards after 12. Lets put them in against Barkley and see how many of them beat him (none). Tell me who on Pacs resume is considerably better than Buchanan, De Jesus or Cuevas?? Do any of you think Hatton or Cotto are anywhere near the level of these guys???

 

Not to mention DURAN was Ko'd COLD by HEARNS who was bigger than him....

on the other hand, when PAC met Cotto who is bigger than him..

Pac was via TKO!

yES, Pac was also ko'd during the early days of his career but he was a nobody at that time. Duran was KO'd cold when he was already on the peak of his career!

 

Are you really comparing Cotto to Hearns!?!?LOL.hahahahahaha

Hang yourself now!!!

 

Leonard would have iced Cotto in 5, and finished Manny off in 9. Duran was the same story. Not sure about Hearns - there was always the risk that he got caught, but he'd have beaten Cotto badly. Manny might have gotten through with his speed, but Hearns' right hand would most likely have done for him.

Hagler is an unfair fight cause he's so big and tough - and a MW.

 

Hearns is the guy who would probably knock Manny out. Remember Manny has not fought a guy with a right hand for many fights, and Hearns has the best right hand in history. A right hand against a southpaw goes right down the middle, and he and Freddie do not want that. The left hook fighters are the ones they want. I do think Pacman might outspeed Duran, who was slower than the Leonard/Hearns and Benitez caliber.

 

pac definitely belongs alongside those guys. i know titles are watered down these days but pac has 4 lineal titles which means he has been fighting the best in every division. cotto is arguebly undefeated and the best welter around, funny how he is suddenly not that great because pac beat him. what also needs to be mentioned is the way he has beaten them, he didn't box and run against bigger guys, he fought them and knocked them out. he belongs along side those greats.

 

^^ butt hurt LOL

 

Duran's ability to shift position and land hooks to the body, for me, would spell disaster for Manny. If he went back to the ropes the way he did against Cotto, Duran can hammer him. But Manny has attributes that would allow him to be competitive.

I agree on Hearns. Tommy's movement, jab and right hand are all brutal weapons. His uppercut was under-rated too. Where Manny has a chance is the speed at which he can be in then out. He could catch Hearns.

Leonard beats Manny with no doubt. Leonard was as complete a fighter as you could ever see, and had true concussive power at WW. He'd time Manny early while keeping on his toes, jabbing and hooking, then sit down on his shots in the fifth after Manny starts lunging in. Brutal KO, I'd think.

I see what you're saying about the fighters Roach is picking. Left hook, moderate right hand ability, good jab, but with a tendency to brawl when they feel they're having success.

Not a plan against Mayweather, sadly.

 

nice post. The issue I have about Duran is that yeah he had great skills, but it is his ability to use great skills and speed with the top HOF fighters he fought. He was amazing and at lightweight scary and dominant. But I think to be honest, he is a guy who fought according to how good someone was. He could beat Moore, but not Benitez and Hearns. When the level went higher he lost regardless of a very dominant lightweight reign, he was better by miles of everyone he fought at lightweight. Pernell would have beaten him by decision and made him look slow in my mind. We knew who he was better than and he usually beat that fighter, but when matched against the likes of Hearns and Leonard and Benitez and Hagler he came out with losses regardless of excuses.

 

Cotto still had only two fights since he was stopped badly by Margarito not too long ago. I said this before the fight- I think Pacman's people picked Cotto because he was a little worn out. I think they might have been surprised that he gave them as tough a fight as he did. Pacman did not fight Mosley, who would have been a much much much more impressive fighter on his resume. But they did not fight him. You have to ask why. I know Pacman is great, but even great fighters have bad style matchups. I like to see fighters like Pacman win and get recognition, but people sure turn a good win into something great. Cotto was not undefeated, and that loss to Margarito was complete. Best welter around? What about Margarito and Shane? And Mayweather?

 

What an idiotic comparison. To be a 5-time featherweight champ, you should lose at least five times to do that you moron atsch

No, its not about the number of titles you win, its about how many times you move up in weight to get those titles as easy as pac did against seemingly more superior opponents. Next time use a better comparison Jesus

 

The thing here is your reasoning is subjective. Had Pac fought SSM and beat him, people will say he's 38 years old and has been fighting forever, and was beaten by Cotto. Pac ducked Cotto. Thats the other side of the spectrum you see.