Pacman vs Ray Leonard at 147

Robert Duran?

 

Yeah, Duran.

And Hearns beat him over 12 rounds at welterweight. Lucky for Ray it was scheduled for 15 rounds and Hearns overtrained.

Do you really think Leonard beats Robinson? Or Armstrong? Or Gavilan? I don't. He may beat Griffith the first time, but I doubt he would beat him in the rematch - if Leonard gave him a rematch. Leonard would have his hands full with Napoles, Whitaker, and Basilio.

Leonard is being overrated at welterweight if one can't answer for themselves the question you asked us, Xplosive. Leonard was a terrific fighter. No question. Technically proficient, fast hands, smart ring general, and a durable fighter in this prime. But he was not what you appear to make him out to be.

 

You need to have a look in the mirror. :good

 

This question can be better answered after the Mayweather fight.

 

leonard doesnt have faster hands than manny and you can say he is 'too big' but how many times have people said that over the last few years? :rofl

 

Oh. a top 5 ATG? Who was outclassed in both of the return bouts? Exactly. Paquiao ain't moving up to 147lbs and beating a fighter of Ray's calibre, any other opinion is dog turd.

 

Yes he does, he throws his shots with better technique and accuracy, and he generates more power in my judgment. You're a clown. Ray isn't just bigger than Manny, he's better in every single facet of the game. If they were the same size. hell, if Ray was smaller than Manny I still favor him by knockout.

Holy ****ing ****, Pacquiao beats Miguel Cotto...taking fair bit of leather himself, and now he can beat the second best 147lbs to have ever graced the ring. Wake up guys, please.

 

Not at all, it can be answered now. Because Ray is better than Floyd too.

 

They only fought one return bout at welterweight. And I dont know if Duran was "outclassed". I mean, if he's top 5 ATG as you say (do you mean p4p also?), how can he get "outclassed", he's in the very top class.

Anyway, I was asked who can beat Leonard at welterweight, and Roberto Duran is undisputedly the first and correct answer to give.

I dont think Pacquiao beats Leonard either, though I wouldn't write him off completely or dismiss anyone who thinks he can.

 

You know when Cotto was running from Pacquiao, who had trouble landing?

Leonard would be moving like that the whole night, except that whilst on the move, he'd be throwing punches. He was a natural, versatile boxer on another level from Cotto.

 

In the opening rounds, Cotto was pumping the jab and landing shots. That combo he threw through Mannys guard to head and body was telling. Leonard could rip fast, varied and powerful combinations, maintain any distance he needed, and stop Pac in about 6. And I HATE Leonard.

 

This would be rather easy. Pacquiao would probably beat a lot of Welterweights, but Ray Leonard is not one of them. Pacquiao is fundamentally a brawler; he may have a fairly versatile arsenal and a lot of speed, but he's there to be outboxed by someone with the skills. Leonard would stick him and move, make him miss and make him pay.

As for a stoppage: Leonard could probably get one if he wanted one, but it's more likely he'll just box for the distance. Pacquiao seems to be able to handle a decent shot at 147, anyway.

 

Beat me to it :good

 

As much as I despise Leonard also, he's a bit of an ace. Something you can pull from your sleeve to thrash the Trinidads, Mayweathers and Pacquiaos without going too far back in history.