Request for Classic opinions on current version of Pacquiao vs the best jr-welters

To be honest, I wouldn't be surprised to see him beat all of them.

I certainly would favor him over Tszyu and Pryor.

 

agreed

 

Im very confident Chavez beats him.

Taylor I really dont know...I could see Meldrick's defensive shortcomings costing him dearly but I really find it hard to picture how Pac deals with a guy as fast if not faster then him...plus nearly as athletic and busy.

I think he just edges out Tszyu to tell you the truth...I dont think its a sure thing he beats him. Kostya has decent durability, which you need against Manny and he is well accurate. Pac would be in against a guy who can land clean, well timed hits better then Hatton, Diaz and Cotto ever could .
Maybe nearly as well as Marquez can deliver them but in a bigger frame with more power.
I think Tszyu's defensive lapses and stamina issue see him get comprehensively outworked down the stretch but early on and the mid rounds are going to be very interesting.

On paper I sorta agree with how My2sense has been looking at the Pryor fight. Manny's stance, speed and explosiveness is going to catch out the Hawk and probably send him to the canvas at some point.
But I also look at the fact Aaron took some wicked shots against a guy like Arguello...shots I cant see Manny producing.
I lean towards Manny but a lot of unanswered questions about this fight...Neither guy has really faced someone like the other at these weights.

Id pick Hoya to edge it...I think with the right tactics he can outbox Manny in enough rounds to take a 8-4 or 7-5 decision, if this time he has body that can keep up.

 

Why we are on the topic how does Pac fair against Lochee and Cervantes?

 

On talent and H2H he is the very best imo. however he sitna carweer light welter like Tszyu, Pryor, Chavez etc so its hard to put him as the greatest 140lbers.

 

Cervantes with his very good footwork would probably outbox him but Locche may get outworked. But I´m not a specialist on either fighter, so some more input would be appreciated.

 

I'd pick him to beat Tszyu, Taylor and De La Hoya(slightly unsure). Chavez beats him, sure as can be, and I think Pryor's chin and workrate would possibly excavate durability issues Pac would have in wars with true junior welterweights.

I say excavate, 'cause they sure were hard to see in his match with Cotto. Still, he must have them, imo.

 

Pacquaio vs Mayweather is the biggest legacy fight of this decade. It needs to be made now.

 

I reckon Pacquiao has a chance against all of them. I'm differing in opinion though and think Tszyu isn't a lock win for Pac. Tszyu was a quality technician but his arsenal admittedly was limited, and the way he opted not to use proper lateral movement then i can see Pacquiao getting the better of it. Tszyu's right hand definitely finds its mark though, make of that what you will.

He wouldn't beat Locche, but would have a better chance against Cervantes imo, just because of the pace of the fight.

 

Also, I don't see how Nicolino Locche beats him. Manny would win on workrate and handspeed, imo.

 

I do. Come on, Pacquiao was frustrated by Marquez. The only way i reckon Pacquiao can beat him is if this recent 'improvement' is like the biggest revelation of all time. He's shown me massive improvements but we're asking for a miracle here. Locche is my numero uno for pure defense btw. Pacquiao's one of the greatest fighters of all time i'd say. But i reckon Locche would win on points.

 

Locche is my numero uno for defensive skill as well but pure speed and athleticism seem like the dealbreakers here. Manny is a tiny buzzsaw and I think Nicolino would struggle to control him -- and his style is all about control. Manny's speed of hand and foot, coupled with the workrate and willingness to take risks, I am coming up short imagining an UD for Locche. He'd simultaneously school, clown, defend masterfully and lose because Manny outlanded him.

I don't see Locche pressured to the point where he's at any time in danger of being stopped -- I think he gets to the end comfortably.

Meh, just a stream-of-consciousness post here.

 

pac beats them all...

the classic posters here were exposed when they think that a bigger dela hoya would beat pacquiao. They are known to underestimate pacquiao big time