Manny resume does not comapre to SRL

the first fight for me was duran and leonard at their respective peaks and duran won. by a chunk. it's one of my favourite fights and i had duran winning wide every time i watch it. that said leonard did own him every time after and it still doesn't place him higher on the pound for pound list. the fact is leonard beat, twice and easily, a fighter ahead of him ATG (on most lists) and for that reason the wins are damn impressive.

 

Thank you!:good

 

more like SRL beating Virgil Hill at lightheavyweight time wise. And look who beat Virgil Hill. Sugar Ray Leonard's contemporary Thomas Hearns. Tommy never got credit for beating an undefeated guy with 10 defenses- 30 pounds over his first world title weight. If Duran or Pacman or Floyd had done that, they would been seen as the number one ATG ever no doubt. Not fair. Tommy never got credit for that. Something not fair about that. Tommy never complained about not getting credit. He has a lot of class. He just fought and proved it that way.

 

i think tommy gets plenty of credit for one of his better wins. Virgil was a great fighter who put in solid service but it wasn't THAT shocking or dominating. he out jabbed him, which is easy when you're tommy hearns.

 

There are not that many boxers who have graced this planet who have a better resume than Sugar Ray Leonard. There is no shame in this at all.

 

This is an excerpt from vivek's article



"In example, if you have a Grandson 30 years from now who attempted to debate you about the fighters in his generation who's pulverizing everyone in front of them and doing amazing things, you're gonna stick to your guns and say that Pacquiao was the man because you witnessed his greatness, wherein he's gonna say those new kids are more talented and have done just as much, while your Father will unquestionably tip his hat to Robinson, Louis, Marciano, and others, if he's entered into the equation. So, my point is that all we can do is honor these guys for what we see them accomplish, but the ultimate question relative to who's the best is all totally subjective because without these guys squaring off, we'll never know. Is Pacquiao a top 10 all-time to me? Yes, but will that victory over Cotto seal it for some, maybe not, and that has to be respected if you want your position to be."

It say's it all

 

How was Ray peak in his first title reign in his second title defense of his first title. That is ridiculous. Virgil Hill had 25 title defenses. Would you say if a guy would have beaten Duran when Duran had one title defense in 1972 that that guy is ATG top 5 just on that? Then if that guy loses his next two fights with Duran that it is that big an accomplishment? Ray was inexperienced. He admits that. He did not know the full game of mental and physical coming together. All he did was put it all together and outbox Duran easily in the rematch. That was the great win for Ray, not Duran's over Ray. Ray stopped Duran when Duran quit. That is a stoppage. Duran did not stop Ray when Ray fought his fight and Ray was inexperienced. overrated win for Duran.

 

i see your point to be sure but physically i think ray was at his peak. but you're right he was inexperienced. however, you can't bring up ray's lack of experience and ignore the circumstances behind the second fight. it was a fair win, but that was NOT the duran of the first fight. if ray was inexperienced, then you have to acknowledge Duran's issues in the rematch. Another thing that gets me sometimes is that people say leonard fought duran's fight. duran MADE leonard fight his fight. as an atg does

 

Yeah easy when you are Tommy Hearns because Tommy is great. What you are saying is it is easy to beat a great fighter in Virgil Hill if you are greater like Tommy was. Yet Tommy did not get the credit for that win. Duran or Pacman beats Virgil Hill caliber, and their fans would have made that out to be the best win ever. Can you imagine if Duran did what Hearns did to Virgil? Duran and his fans would have used that fight to claim his ATG top spot forever.

 

Did you just say emanuel stewart don't know **** about boxing? He was the one that said that. If SRL resume is better then Pacs, Iwould say Pac's achievements make up for his resume in moving up the weight classes. Pac is not above SRL in the list but he is about 5-7 fighters away and may close in before it is said and done. Unlikely because he has to go through Floyd for that.

 

haha, man you really have a hate on for duran. again, a fair point. it's not tommy's fault he's so great and because of that, his win over virgil is looked back on as almost expected. but tommy was a HUGE welter and physically that weight wasn't a huge stretch. out of curiousity, who do you rate higher: duran or hearns? there could be an argument for hearns

 

no no, thank you girl :thumbsup

 

Yes he made him fight his fight and that was a great accomplishment, but even when Ray fought his fight Duran could not stop him. And then Ray wins the rematch. I know the issues of the rematch, but the facts are that Duran used those same excuses of being out of shape with Benitez and Hearns and Leonard and everytime he lost to a great. He always had the excuse he did not train. You make good points, but still I think Ray in June of 1980 was not the top experienced legend yet that we knew after that fight. Duran did Ray a favor. He made Ray great by beating him in June of 1980 . The Ray after that fight was 25 percent better or even more. Ray learned the mental and physical aspects and even how to negotiate ringsize and glove size to his advantage. Ray would not have Marvin Hagler without his knowledge of the first Duran fight.

 

another ignorant moron

 

I was responding to a previous poster.

However I do not regard Manny Stewarts opinion in any higher regard, than I do my own.