Manny resume does not comapre to SRL

No...no...Thank you fruit cake.:smoke

 

good post:good one of my favourite quotes from Four Kings was in regards to the first Duran-Leonard fight: The night a boy became a man and a man became a legend. When I think about it, Leonard took everything he learned from that fight and used it to improve and become what he needed to be. Same with the Hearns fight. He used each of his mega fights to become more complete. When do you think he became his best?

 

People are going to come down on me big time for this but I think Hearns comes out ahead. He beat Cueves for his first title 11 title defenses. Benitez for his second, jumped to 175 and beat Andries (not a great fighter but champ), then moved back and beat Roldan and then went up and beat Kinchen at 168, to later move up and beat Virgil in 1991 -11 years after his first title win vs. Cueves. That is impressive. What hurts Tommy is losing his 2 biggest fights in the spotlight. He could never make people forget, and rightly so. He blew it in someways. I just think because of blowing those two fights in the big spotlight, he never could get the image of him on his back with Hagler out of people's minds no matter what he did. But as a whole career, his resume is great. Later he struggled but he still ended up winning except for one fight with Iran.

 

I know Tommy was big, but if you look Virgil next to Tommy, Tommy's legs and body were smaller. He was a smaller boned fighter.

 

stop, i was joking

 

You are going too far comparing Pacman to Leonard !!!!

 

nah girl thank you, but stop being so sensitive

 

exactly. Did you like the book? I liked it. I read it about a half a year ago or more I think . Ray was one of those guys who used his knowledge more than most guys in the ring I think. Duran did Ray such a favor. He almost owes Duran his career by making him better in 1980. Ray learned the whole game.

 

well two fights with iran (not to be a dick) but that's the kind of argument i was thinking. I disagree but the point could be made. I believe dundee said "with better balance, hearns could have been the best of them all". I have (at this exact moment) duran rated 3 all time, leonard 12, hagler 18 and tommy 20. that could change but I think they are all damn close to each other (despite my listing). you're right though, tommy's loses hurt him bad. Have to admit

 

**** i loved the book! very pro duran and hagler (which is all i need). I almost ****ing cried when i was reading the description of duran's fight with hearns. "that night, no one could call him a coward again. after that first round, after what duran took in the first 3 minutes against hearns he knew what would happen in the second. He knew the knockout was coming and he faced it like a man" (paraphrasing but wow).

 

Thomas Hearns career is a case of if you get the biggest fights you ever had and he is knocked out, the fights were so big and so many people watched them that no matter what he did (even beating Virgil Hill in 1991) could not over take those two fights. They were such superfights, and the Hagler fight Tommy was on his back. It was a great fight, but people never forgot that fight. But I think his career is tops and one the greatest ATG. The unfairness of people to not give Tommy credit is a little his fault for losing those two fights. I admit that. Someone had to win. Beating Hagler in 1985 in April would have been hard for anyone. And Tommy also did a bad thing by getting someone as intense as Marvin angry in the prefight.

 

You know who the People that are going to give Mosely/Cotto/ Pac/Mayweather etc. credit? It is the young kids who are old enough for you bring in your living room to watch the fight and enjoy it with you. When I was a kid fighters like Hagler, Hearns, Duran, SRL were all bigger than life. Till now they are beyond comparison with the current crop of fighters and I bet most who grew up on them see it like that as well. Even Tyson was have been rumored to fear Foreman because as a historian, Tyson saw Foreman as a beast watching him growing up and that mystique carried on into his pro career and they never fought. I know the little dudes I bring to watch the fights in my family think the world of fighters like Manny Pac and Floyd. That mistique will carry on in the future and those fighters will have no comparison with the current crop. It is awesome to watch a fight with young dudes who like the sport. So when I look at fighters like Manny or Floyd I look at them through these kids eyes.

 

Tommy does get big credit for that. Reason I didnt mention virgil hill is because I rate him slightly above Dawson & Cotto so i didnt think it was a fair comparison. That said, SRL did not beat Hill and yes although Tommy beat Hill, SRL beat Tommy at WW. Thats like saying Morales beats Cotto because he beat Pac who beat Cotto??

So to reiterate, I would rate Pac's win over Floyd as one of the biggest wins, of all time. Comparable to any out there. Not only is he beating a certified ATG, an undefeated one at that, p4p #2, formerly #1, but in his 10th weight class and at his 7th championship weight class!

 

Be easy sweet cheeks. Who's sensitive? I'm not the one acting like I'm on the rag w/cramps homie. Don't get so bitchy. Go take some pre menstral meds....should help.:good

 

and losing to Iran still irkes me. he's light years better but barkley just had his number