Pacman vs Ray Leonard at 147

You are dishonest. I did not say he was "just good theater." I said he was "good theater." So was Ali. So was Camacho.

We now all have the measure of your personality, Addie. You are a liar.

I have said elsewhere just in the past few days that he was a terrific fighter. The question is whether we let the theater exaggerate the fighter. In the case of Leonard, it does for you. Others among us are more wise than this.

It's not a question of whether a fighter's record shows wins over hall of famers (and here quality cannot be substituted with quantity given how infrequently Leonard stepped into the ring against quality opposition). It's a question of what those wins look like and the character of the losses. An actual examination of the cases show that while Leonard was a terrific fighter, he was not the fighter you believe he is.

Your analysis is clearly warped by fandom. The ease with which you misrepresented my statement proves that truth is less important to you than perception. This is the hallmark of a fanboy. Sober up a bit, *******. Maybe then you will stop being one.

 

I clearly told you that I did not want to hear a long, overdrawn, pretentious explanation as to why Leonard's ability is often exaggerated...in your mind. Instead, I wanted a credible analysis as to why Manny Pacquiao has even a punchers chance in a fight with Ray Leonard at 147lbs? Simple enough instructions. Try again. If you feel like this is a fight won fairly comfortably by the bigger man, then we have no conflict at all.

 

Sorry man, I don't usually get abusive, but you're truly an idiot. Leonard hit Hearns with body shots that almost came out the other side. That's all the evidence I need. Congratulations. You just vaulted yourself into a small group of posters I don't even deem worth responding to.

 

How can some doubters claim that "Leonard does not dart in and out like Pac"?

Doesn't anyone of the doubters remember Duran v leonard II?

Look at the speed and movement.

 

Who cares what you tell me or anybody else? You don't run this show. You're a dickhead. I will say any damn thing I want about Leonard. No apologies for having decimated your position, either.

 

Right, because Duran didn't have stomach cramps slowing him down that night, leading to him quitting the fight.

Because, as we could all see, Leonard was darting in and out like Manny in Duran v. Leonard I, too.

Don't you folks ever stop and read what you write? You serious can't see your sugar blowing?

 

In which round did Leonard's fist almost come out of the other side of Hearns' body.

And why, if I'm in that small group of posters you don't deem worth responding to, did you respond to me? Contradict yourself much?

You guys are too easy. You mock yourselves.

 

I don't understand the whole "if they were the same size" thing, and I never will. They weren't the same size. And Ray whips him at welter, and was on a different level in terms of all-time greatness. Why is this thread still going anyway?

 

Marvel is clearly a Leonard hater. I have seen the fight countless times (I own it), and Hearns is obviously one of my favorite fighters......but Leonard hurt/wobbled Hearns nearly every time he got inside on him that fight. This is what forced Hearns to start boxing from the outside in the middle rounds. The power behind Leonard's shots was obvious.

As much as I wish it weren't true, Leonard won that fight, and the stoppage was totally legitimate. To say it wasn't, and that Hearns had it together at that point is downright asinine.

 

a good question. for me pac vs. a 147 cotto still remained an open question. i believe that a 147 cotto would have at least gone the distance with pac if not stopping him.
so i slightly tend to leonard but may probably be wrong.

 

Well, the people seem to be agreeing that Ray would win, and mention his size to be a huge factor. However, I say that even if the size advantage wasn't there, Ray still does everything better, and has the amateur pedigree, the speed, the skill, the power, and the will to win to not only beat Manny Pacquiao but most fighters.

 

So you have no analysis. Good. Shut up, then.

 

But how could the size advantage not be there? Leonard was physically bigger. Unless you have some machine which can shrink SRL, and then measure how the change in size affects his performance, it is a meaningless impossibility to mention it.

Ray was the greater fighter. Ray would have beaten him. End of story as far as I see it.

 

Leonard wins the fight because he's better in every single department than Manny, not because he sports a 4 inch height advantage. That's the point I'm making.

 

To me Leonard is the most complete fighter in history of the sport. I really cant explain why cos it just feels natural n right to have him #1 in my p4p alltime list Pac shouldn't even be compared vs Leonard, Pernell Maybe but not Leonard...