Jesus Soto Karass

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  1. IntentionalButt

    IntentionalButt Guy wants to name his çock 'macho' that's ok by me

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    Can't recollect, boo - you part of the old Telefutura crew or was this your first impression? Don't be making snap judgments now! :D
     
  2. HitBattousai

    HitBattousai Boxing Addict Full Member

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    Delvin's got some skills, but I doubt he'd tear up Soto-Karass. He doesn't handle pressure well, not super-elusive, nor does he have a great chin. He'd probably outbox JSK for a few rounds before JSK decided to just eat shots and come forward and wail away, where I suspect Delvin would fold.
     
  3. CLUBBER

    CLUBBER C.R.A.B. BOXING Full Member

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    After a good start Delvin gassed and got the **** beaten out of him by Jesse Feliciano who is an iron chinned brawler just like Soto Karass...But Soto Karass has way more power and will be too strong for Delvin as the fight progress...
     
  4. IntentionalButt

    IntentionalButt Guy wants to name his çock 'macho' that's ok by me

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    And while he gets lazy and sloppy with it, Jesus does fundamentally have better punching technique than Feliciano.
     
  5. manhattanboxer3

    manhattanboxer3 Well-Known Member Full Member

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    soto karass beats delvin rodriguez. way too strong for him. thats a good fight that should get made and seen on espn 2. i missed the gomez jesus fight anyone mind summarizing it for me?
     
  6. HitBattousai

    HitBattousai Boxing Addict Full Member

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    While competitive, Gomez basically outclassed Soto-Karass the first four rounds of the fight landing the cleaner, shorter, flashier punches, throwing more, and landing more, as well as showing better ring generalship slipping a lot of JSK's shots with head/lateral movement and countering effectively. JSK went low a lot in the fight, which I don't think was intentional, just part of his somewhat wide punching technique, but he was warned directly three times by the ref by Round 3, the last one being a low blow/headbutt combo where the headbutt opened a bad cut around Gomez's right eye. Soon after that JSK landed two consecutive low blows and got a point deduction. He went low again later in the third, got a warning. Fourth round, he went low again and got another point deducted. Round 5, the cut was bleeding badly over Gomez's eye clearly bothering him, and JSK had his best round of the fight, pressing forward against a not as mobile Gomez, and outlanding him for the first time in a round. Round 6, Gomez was more mobile and boxed better for the first two minutes though JSK was pressing him hard, but the cut was still bleeding very badly and bothering him, and at the 55 second mark the ref stopped the action for a doctor check, to which Alfonso said he couldn't see **** and the fight was stopped and went to the cards, where Gomez won via UD.

    Edit: Or you could watch the fight here - http://www.youtube.com/user/Gomezassistant
     
  7. Kampioni

    Kampioni Good Boy Full Member

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    I thought this fight was gonna suck, but Gomez blew me away with those accurate punches. I look forward to seeing him fight again.
     
  8. IntentionalButt

    IntentionalButt Guy wants to name his çock 'macho' that's ok by me

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    I'll echo my recollection from (already fuzzy) memory of what we hashed out in the undercard RBR thread...

    First round was defensive and jabby. Soto Karass edged it IMO.
    Second, third and fourth rounds: Gomez showing a lot of moxie, jumping in with combinations and getting whipped to the body en route, landing from all different angles. Alfonso wins two in a row pretty clearly. The ref warned Soto Karass throughout all three rounds for low blows (some of them straying legitimately low unintentionally due to Alfonso's movement and Jesus having to dip down to find the torso of his smaller and more compact target, and some - including ones he was warned and penalized for - landing along the beltline/lettering) and took a total of two points away in consecutive rounds (without additional warning in between). Gomez bled throughout from a cut caused by an accidental butt in the 2nd, which got progressively worse.
    In rounds 5 and 6, JSK split his focus upstairs and downstairs trying to exacerbate the cut by headhunting in addition to his towel-snaps beneath the elbows. He can be said to have won both of those rounds. Toward the end of the sixth the referee called the physician over to look at Gomez's cut. It was flowing pretty freely and unlikely to clot anytime in the scheduled distance, but they stopped it anyway, which pretty much guaranteed TD victory for Gomez with his point deduction lead (without the foul calls it would have been a technical draw on the judges' cards).
     
  9. HitBattousai

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    The two times that JSK actually lost points, the punches were obviously low, and imo every time JSK was warned it was valid, plus they actually missed him going low a few times in-between. I like both guys, though I roll with Alfonso more, but regardless of my bias, they replayed both point deductions on the HBO feed. The first deduction was based on two consecutive punches to Alfonso's inner thighs, and the second was an uppercut to the same. He also did receive a warning in-between the two to keep em up for another obvious low blow, though not a stop-the-action warning. Those aren't questionable. I don't think any of them were intentional, but JSK should have made some adjustment and didn't.

    As to the stoppage, the doctor stopped the fight because he asked Alfonso if he could see when the ref called for a check and Alfonso said "he couldn't see ****." I imagine if Alfonso thought the fight was close he would have said he was fine, like with his fight with Buendia, but the cut was obviously impairing him so he took that way out when it was offered this time. If the fighter says he can't see, the doctor will call for the stoppage every time.
     
  10. booradley

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    Delvin Rodriguez is better than Gomez and hits harder. Gomez couldn't freaking miss with his right hand before the cut got to ugly. Without the cut, which clearly came from a head butt, JSK would not last 8 rounds with Gomez. Rodrigeuz would stop in in 5-6 rounds. I have no clue what you guys are excited about. JSK is a FNF's prelim fighter, and no better.
     
  11. IntentionalButt

    IntentionalButt Guy wants to name his çock 'macho' that's ok by me

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    :lol: I retract my earlier question. You've clearly never seen him before. He's got a better chin than Margarito. :deal
     
  12. HitBattousai

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    It's all about styles making fights. Rodriguez would probably give Gomez more trouble than Soto-Karass, but on the flipside, Soto-Karass would stop Rodriguez me thinks. Rodriguez relies more on his length and offense to get away from punches, he doesn't have much head movement or lateral movement, nor does he have a great chin or respond well to pressure, as the Feliciano fight showed. He's more skilled than Soto-Karass, but is not a big puncher, and while I don't think JSK's chin is Margarito level, it's certainly good. Against JSK, who is also a lengthy Welter, his length advantage would be nullified, and he doesn't have the pop to keep Soto-Karass off him.