Lets compare Pretty Boy to Pacman in an ATG sense

Shocking post. You must be blinded by bias.

 

lol@Valero. Wasn't Corrales weight-drained, psychologically fraught and on bail when Floyd spanked him? If were dissecting Pacs wins, which it seems we (you) are I guess it's fine to do so with Floyd?

 

You were picking so Im picking. Baldomir proved more than a journeymen. I dont think I drug it down, just how it is really. Noone has answered the question why using names as an example. Powerpuncher did using one fighter which doesnt cut it, but hes not sure Barrera was at his best. Im sure he wasnt.

 

Care to come up with a better answer using some names and comparisons? Its easy to make a statement like you did.

 

I also though the knockdown sealed the deal for Cotto. That fight reminded me of Holyfield Mercer. Tough fight for both, Cotto sealed it with a knockdown, just like Evander did.

 

I think Oscar being drained for the Pac fight is overstated. He weighed in at 150 for the Forbes fight for christsakes.

 

:huh

I don't recall giving a round for round analysis of the fight in this thread. You know...I don't even recall suggesting that Cotto was winning on my cards? All I did was point out a pretty crucial fact you left out of your assesment of Cotto's performance.

 

Again, the point of my post eludes you. atsch

Your so called so called challenge is a fallacy that will only result in a endless spiral of half ass analysis and not so subtle bias. Rather than looking at what each man's opponents brought to the table, the circumstances regarding the fight, and what was accomplished we have circular "picking. " Nothnig fair or even half way intelligent is going to come about your methods. That is why noone wants to engage you...except someone who shares your bias.

 

Hard to say?

Just because a guy like Pacquiao made weight-jumping a virtual non-issue doesn't mean Marquez also could, because they fought two close fights at a lower weight.

Let's be clear on this. Pacquiao is turning heads because he has done this division-climbing thing looking really, really good. It is not for every fighter to accomplish, not even for someone as good as a Juan Manuel Marquez. Obviously.

So don't ever try to put something into Floyd's win over Marquez that is not really there.

He beat up on a blown-up lightweight, who was arguably P4P#2 but totally unproven at the weight they fought at.

 

Sorry man, but way too many guys off that list are B-listers, underachievers, or old/worn/not at their best weight when Floyd got to them. He deserves full credit for Corrales, Castillo 2, and a few others, and his destruction of Gatti is breathtaking, (even if Gatti was smashed by every other A-list fighter he fought and a fair number of B-Listers) but an awful lot of those names are less than stellar, and I'd say only two or three deserve to be mentioned in comparison to the half dozen or so top notch wins for Manny.

Currently I feel Manny deserves to be ranked higher.

 

Well... if we're going to look at the list for Floyd as thoroughly as you did Pacquiao's, it would look something like this:

Judah - underachiever, biggest wins against Cory Spinks (who he went 1-1 with) and Corley. Lost to every other top flight fighter he faced.
Mitchell - 35 years old and 2 fights away from retirement
Gatti - Badly shopworn, smashed by every world class opponent he fought. (And many who were sub-world class)
Corley - Contender on his way to becoming a gatekeeper
Castillo x2 - First victory was controversial, as many felt Castillo did enough to win.
Ndou - B-lister, at best. Biggest accomplishments are winning WBU titles.
Jesus Chavez - B-lister.
Diego Corrales
Angel Manfredy - thoroughly beaten every time he tried to step up and win a real title. (WBU=jack ****)
Carlos Hernandez - Who?
JMM - 36 years old and well above his best weights, fighting at a weight where he'd never fought before
Hatton - could barely slip by Collazo in his only other bout at 147.
ODLH at 54
Genaro Hernandez - somewhat old, last bout of his career.

 

Are you talking about Mayweather? :yep

 

Theres some thick ****s on this forum.

 

Nice way of presenting your biases. As though at the start of their carrers Pac has as much pedigree as Floyd had. And that they are the same size huh?

Pac at minimum weight is 95 lbs. So no he's not 106 at 16. He was fighting at 106 division but weights much less. And most importantly at this age, he was a FULL-TIME construction worker (you know, mixing cement, driving nails) and PART-TIME boxer. At this age Floyd is a full-time boxer, beign coached from the start by a respectable trainer, with the American amateur system to refine his skill.

I won't delve into the amount of defenses he has. It's who you faced that matters here. It's not his fault Barrera thew his WBC belt, nor the 2nd best 130 lbr Morales just lost his belt to Barrera. The crux of the matter is he beat the very beast featherweights of the era. Might be the best featherweight mix of all time.

 

Yes I believe that as well, just playing devils advocate again, but also now less emphasis has to be put on Pacs weight jumping after Saturday night. He cleary was not at the deficit that so many felt he was in a lot of his fights. As far as Pac, Im a huge fan, I prefer to watch him over Mayweather anyday, but I dont rank him over Mayweather "yet". Floyd has had argueably one competitive fight, that he came back and dominated the second go round. Its not because of the level of fighters hes faced like all these bandwagon people seem to be jumping on lately because Floyd didnt take the fights the rival promoters needed and wanted at the time.
Floyd has domianted through all his weight classes, and remains undefeated against a solid group of fighters.
Im still waiting for someone to explain to me why Pacs resume supercedes Floyds with a intelligent response, and not a bunch of name calling and B.S. Thats what I love about these messageboards, rather than think of a good response for the discussion its just easier to resort to name calling. What good are these threads if there isnt differences of opinions and discussions? If Im so wrong, lets hear why.