How does Pac defeat the Shoulder roll defence of FMJ?

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  1. el_indio

    el_indio Member Full Member

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    Pacquiao will throw flurry of punches to Mayweather's shoulder until he cant roll them no more. :thumbsup
     
  2. Farmboxer

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    Oscar landed a lot of punches on Void, knocking his head back. I had Oscar beating Void, but Void has his judges to protect him.

    Pac will throw so many punches from all angles that Void will be void.
     
  3. pejevan

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    Shoulder roll protects the head yet exposes the lower body. A good strategy is actually to punch low, literally low, borderline beltline.. To try to head hunt Mayweather is never productive.
     
  4. boxbox

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    I would agree if were talking 130-135lbs...but @147? i dont think so. Both fighter's are fast, and Pacs awkwardness will trouble Floyd. Floyd needs to continously turn clockwise to make his shoulder roll effective, since Pac is a south paw that has exceptional feet movement. Going to PBF's right side will be easy. He does need to be careful of Floyds right though, but seeing how he was able to handle Cottos punches, who punches much harder than PBF, This will not hinder Pac from continously throwing those bombs. Floyd will try and get away in the early round and be slick about it. He might as well go for the kill as early as he can, cause when Pac gets his rhythm, its quite impossible to get him off your face.
     
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    Pac will throw many more punches than Void. Void is a chicken anyway. Void wants to fight Christy Martin next and Void's fans are fools enough to pay for it.
     
  6. 1punch1nder

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    just like roach said... go to the body. if im pac i'll break floyd's shoulder first.
     
  7. bill poster

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    :lol: true, I hate it when Floyd turns his back when in trouble- he should get an automatic point deduction for doing that, totally illegal
     
  8. VARG

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    The problem with that video is that Ndou had good enough reach to accomplish that punch. Not sure Manny will have the same success.

    Manny's goal isn't to really bypass it by combinations but just to get him on the ropes and give him hell. Floyd voluntarily goes to the ropes if you push him and when he does, Manny has to try and beat the **** out of whatever he hits. Shoulders, arms, chest, head, body...the whole package...Floyd's body is pretty brittle and if Manny can just get plenty of clean shots while he's stuck there for a small window of time, he'll find him much easier to catch in the later rounds.

    The big question mark is can Floyd handle Manny's power? Manny has already been tested for having a superb WW chin. Cotto landed flush on numerous occassions in the first 4 rounds...Manny hardly blinked. Floyd on the other hand hasn't been nailed flush by a power puncher at WW...and the times that he has been hit flush...he didn't react well to it.

    Manny simply needs to bully the **** out of Mayweather on the ropes and hopefully catch Floyd enough times to keep him cautious and on constant retreat.

    It's not the shoulder roll MP needs to worry about...but rather the jab to the body. That spear jab to the gut is what Manny needs to train for. Floyd would land this with so much ease because of his big reach advantage that it would seem almost ridiculous that he's landing it so easy. But funny enough Floyd still backs up after landing it...that will be his downfall...constantly getting stuck on the ropes.

    Im also not sure where Roach is going to find proper sparring partners for this...where the **** is he going to find someone who can mimic that style?
     
  9. hmm

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    hmm says . . .

    did anyone see at times that Cotto was using the philly shell/shoulder roll during the Pac fight. Pac was still able to land granted Cotto isn't no PBF.
     
  10. h13vyy

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    I think Pacs lateral movement will be a key in this fight. Also if Floyd stand and tries to roll Pacs punches, it won't be nothing like Floyds faced before. The punches will have both speed and power without any signs of fatigue. Thats the difference.

    Floyd would have the better connect % and also the quality shots but Pac will steal rounds due to his workrate, constant pressure and the number of punches thrown. I also see the judges getting getting intimidated by the fans and slightly favouring Pac.

    The fight is going to be huge. I would without a doubty fly over to the states and watch it ringside.
     
  11. bill poster

    bill poster Guest

    noticed that too
     
  12. SILVIO_DANTE

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    I can already picture in my head the surprised expression on Pacquiao's face when he walks at Floyd and tries to let off a 4 punch combo, and lands nothing and catches a lead right hand to the face mid-way through his combo.

    IMO Floyd wins by grinding out a UD, and the fight is more of a dud than the spectacular brawl that it's being talked up as.


    Edit, this too:
     
  13. h13vyy

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    The difference is...Pac would bang his gloves together and throw in another 4 punch combo and if Floyd does it again..so be it..Pac will bang his gloves together and go in again :lol:. Thats Pacs attitude and it's something that Floyd has never faced. Usually when Floyd counters..his opponents back off a little. Not Pac.
     
  14. SILVIO_DANTE

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    That much is true.

    You can't keep eating Mayweather's right hand/left hook for long periods of time though.

    I agree that Mayweather's evasive tactics are not going to be as effective as usual, but, historically, using pressure-tactics against him simply does not work - he's too happy to curl into his shell and let 4 or 5 punches hit his arms and shoulder.
     
  15. Rooney

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    It will also be entertaining to see how many of pac punches actually land on his opponents face, and not on gloves and elbows.

    I can see the crowd going crazy until they see the highlights of everything missing the target by miles:rofl