why do people put duran ahead of pac on atg list???

Down the road pac will get the love..floyd will too...

 

this is the problem with some fo you fans. pac is a great fighter but alot of you get carried away because you dont know you're history. to rank pac ahead of duran because if losses to hagler, hearns and Leonard is absurd. apc wounlt last 5 rds with any 3 of those guys. it remains to be seen if pac can even beat floyd mayweather, who everybody loses to criticize. pac resume is great, duran's is even better and head 2 head, duran koes pacquaio brutally.

 

Pac hasent yet fought Mosley and Mayweather. He also has not secured his grudge matches with Marquez. Duran ruled the lightweight division for many a year. He beaat, Ken Buchanan, also winning a trilogy with Esteban DeJesus.
He then stepped up what would now be 2 weitclasses to end Sugar Ray Leonard's unbeaten record.
Later he went 15 close rounds with Hagler, nearly winning, a great feat considering Hagler's greatness at middleweight.
To compare Pac's record with Delahoya, Hatton and Cotto to Duran's with Leonard, Hagler and Hearns is ludicrous. Hagler-atg middleweight, Leonard-atg p4p. Hatton?? And we all know DLH was fighting below his natural weightclass.
Pac is a great fighter and without doubt an atg. But like many have said he hasent dominated a division enough and things like fighting people at catchweights will not help arguments for his legacy. If he beats Mosley and/or Mayweather, at 147, he goes much closer.

I recomend you read ''Hands of Stone'' by Christian Giudice. Its a very good book based entirely on Durans career, it would give you a far greater perspective on his achievments and maybe make you think twice before discrediting him as a boxer with only one win of note.

 

Being the greatest lightweight ever isnt an excuse, its a fact. You cant argue with it.
Pac hasent beaten anyone like SRL. When did Pac end a atg's unbeaten record?
Embarassing defeats? Look into why he lost and not who he lost to, lack of focus, bouts of depression, poor training. ALSO, if we're looking at defeats, see pacs earlier record, theres a few there.

Duran wasent competitive over a long periood of time, he was a CHAMPION. Coming back from the above mentioned problems to beat people such Moore and Barkley were outstanding accomplishments.

 

yeah, duran beat srl, it remains to be seen if pac can even beat mayweather, let alone a guy like srl.

 

How has this gotten to three pages? atsch

 

which of you nuthuggers are stupid enough to say pacquaio could beat duran, slr, hearns, or hagler? come on any takers?

 

Easy...he is a greater fighter.

I cant see why people think thats saying Manny isnt great aswell...of course he is.

 

It's not the quantity but quality. If that's your standard, Chavez should be ahead of Duran because he lost only 6 in 114 fights while Duran lost 16 in 119 fights.

 

You have no idea what you're talking about. Have you ever seen the Barkley or Hagler fights? As much as I like Pac I can't imagine Pac going the distance in either of those fights. Also if you think of what would happen h2h you gotta go with Duran, if for no other reason then his defensive is way better, and he would be grinning the whole time they were slugging it out.

 

Yeah Benitez beat him easily in early 1982

 

you gotta understand common sense if a gift that some people just dont have.

 

Ray was not prime. That is Duran fan's way of bending the truth. Ray was in his second title defense of his first title. That was not prime. Ray was more prime when he fought Hearns in 1981 after the experiences of Benitez and Duran.. He got better and learned boxing was mental and physical.

 

What I meant was it's the excuse given for why his losses don't count against his legacy. I'm not arguing he ain't the best Lightweight ever, his credentials there are better than anyone's. And no doubt the rest of his accomplishments solidy him as a true ATG. I'm just saying his losses aren't used by historians who have him top 5, giving him the benefit of the doubt against the others who would probably beat him.

And there you are making excuses for his losses by stating loss of focus, depression, poor training. That's crap. If Duran couldn't get up for the likes of Benitez, Hearns, Leonard rematch, that should be held against him when matching him up against other ATGs. What should count is what happens in the ring. That is what will etched in history, atleast for everyone else it is.

 

This is the usual excuse. Everything after was butter? No. Because Duran's resume at lightweight is filled with guys he was better than and there were no challenges. No Pernell Whitakers there. No Floyd Mayweathers. Dejesus and Buchanan were not at that level . So Duran needed more to be ATG top 10. He is ATG top 25 probably, but not top 10.. His record against ATG fighters is 1-5.