Wing Chun

bruce was a wing chun master and fought alot. dumbass.

 

Jet Li is a 40 odd year old actor.

I have seen zero evidence or footage of Jet fighting full contact.

Even if he was the super duper world kungfu drunken northern longfist praying mantis champion of the world and greatest fighter ever, Jacare would take him down and rip off a limb in about 8 seconds. :good

 

Bruce Lee had skills, but he has zero pro fights, or recorded full contact bouts.

p.s. when did I mention him

p.p.s. Jacare would still **** him up

p.p.p.s Any average level boxer/thai boxer/bjj fighter/mma fighter would ruin Bruce.

 

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In books? On film? Okay.

"Chan attended the Nah-Hwa Primary School on Hong Kong Island, where he failed his first year, after which his parents withdrew him from the school. In 1960, his father immigrated to Canberra, Australia, to work as head cook for the American embassy, and Chan was sent to the China Drama Academy, a Peking Opera School run by Master Yu Jim Yuen. Chan trained rigorously for the next decade, excelling in martial arts and acrobatics. He eventually became part of the Seven Little Fortunes, a performance group made up of the school's best students, gaining the stage name Yuen Lo in homage to his master. Chan became close friends with fellow group members Sammo Hung and Yuen Biao, the three of them later to be known as the Three Brothers or Three Dragons.

At the age of 8, he appeared with some of his fellow "Little Fortunes", in the film Big and Little Wong Tin Bar (1962), with Li Li Hua playing his mother. Chan appeared with Li again the following year, in The Love Eterne (1963) and had a small role in King Hu's 1966 film, Come Drink with Me. In 1971, after an appearance as an extra in another Kong Fu film, A Touch of Zen, Chan began his adult career in the film industry, initially signing to Chu Mu's Great Earth Film Company. At the age of 17, he worked as a stuntman in the Bruce Lee films Fist of Fury and Enter the Dragon under the stage name Chen Yuen Long. He received his first starring role later that year, in Little Tiger of Canton, which had a limited release in Hong Kong in 1973. Due to the commercial failures in his early ventures into films and trouble finding stunt work, in 1975 Chan starred in a comedic adult film, All in the Family, the only film he has made to date that did not feature a single fight scene or stunt sequence."

He is an actor, and has been since childhood. :deal He is not, and never has been, a serious student of any real martial art in any real capacity. Literally ALL the "Kung Fu" he knows is the all-for-show crap they teach alongside acrobatics to little kids who aspire to be actors and choreographers - not a shred of practical knowledge useful in competitive or street fighting. He excelled in little-kid-actor martial arts, as a child actor. :yep

 

i would suggest you study alot more. bruce has zero fights? seriously you dont know anything about martial arts.

 

you said he did not study wing chun and he clearly did.

 

It's unclear to me how much 196osh is just trying to get a rise out of this...uh...whatever (troll? ******? who knows!) but choosing to pick my battles based on reality - Lee and Li both have full-contact experience, and were both regarded as being fearsome head to head competitors.

Jackie freaking Chan, however, at any point in his life, loses to any tale-of-the-tape-comparable Toughman entrant.

 

you seem knowlegable about ma. i dont take the other guy serious. im glad i found someone with some common sense. what do you think about donnie yen?

 

Iron ******.

His part in Highlander - Endgame was too small, IMO. The movie wasn't that great, even for long-time guilty pleasure fans of the series. :yep Wish they'd cut some of that crap to include his deleted scenes. With more exposure he could have possibly have become a big crossover star in the U.S., almost as big as Chan or Li (without even needing the former's goofy charisma or the latter's badass brooding intensity). Just sheer untouchable skill (strictly in terms of fictional, choreographed M.A.)

Tony Jaa is the closest to carrying the torch out of the East these days. And his on-screen weapon of choice (Muay Thai) is actually useful in practical real-life applications. :good A lot of the rest of those guys are to M.A. what Brock Lesnar five years ago is to Brock Lesnar now (or to Brock Lesnar ten years ago :yep)

 

yen needs a new manager. his feet r so fast it almost seems like dvd player is on fast and his triple kick. insane.

 

Who did he fight?

Do you think he would stand a chance against actual pioneers or cross training or fighting in different disciplines and fighters from his generation, be they single style or cross trained in a Vale Tudo fight?

The second question really determines just how crazy a Bruce Lee fan is.

For example: Bruce Lee vs Victor Mclaglen (credit to Cross_Trainer, the god of this sort of thing)
http://www.eastsideboxing.com/forum/showthread.php?t=168888

From [ame]http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Victor_McLaglen[/ame]

Not only would McLaglen beat his ass, he was a better actor. :hey

How about Valdemar Santana?

[ame]http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Valdemar_Santana[/ame]
http://www.eastsideboxing.com/forum/showthread.php?t=62 (Again Cross_Trainer)
Beat Helio Gracie, lost 2 times to Carlson Gracie and drew with him twice, did Judo, boxing, BJJ, and Luta Livre?

Speaking of badasses who fought Gracies; the godfather would be Kimura, who the armlock was named after.
[ame]http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Masahiko_Kimura[/ame]

Basically do you think he would do anything against the first generation Gracies? Let alone later generations.

Carlson was only 8 years older, do you seriously think Bruce Lee would last 5 minutes with Carlson without having at least one bone broken or being put to sleep?


What about Jack Dempsey, the man (in every sense of the word "man") who's book on boxing Lee both managed to plagerize and incorrectly understand. Now, if you think Lee could even be remotely competitive in any way in striking with one of the greatest boxers to ever walk the Earth, you are just ignorant in every sense of the word. It doesn't stop there though, he wouldn't need to outbox Lee to beat his ass.

As his book written about training the Coast Guard in hand to hand combat during WW2, How to Fight Tough shows, was far more advanced in his understanding of grappling with knowledge of wrestling, judo, and jiu-jitsu.

Dempsey brought in some of the best trainers in all of those arts, rather than Lee, who would go train under a coach in an art, and arrogantly feel he could pick and choose what was "good" despite never actually getting good enough at any of them to have any real understanding.


1)Jack Dempsey knows Judo, bitches.

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2) What he calls "Head Clamp" essentially an early advanced form of the type of guillotine that uses as RNC type grip; Faber uses this well, Pulver used a variation on Cub Swanson.

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3) JAck Dempsey with a Rear Naked Choke.

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These guys are just a few of the thousands who were far more advanced, both in theory and pracitce than Bruce Le. Not only did they know more, they knew it earlier, and most importantly they would beat him easily.

 

Just to save me the work of explaining yet again why Bruce Lee is not the godfather of MMA, the inventor of MMA, the first Mixed Martial Artists, or even a particuarly noteworthy one (beyond his fame):

The Real Godfathers of MMA

 

bruce lee vs dempsey would b a total mismatch. the speed difference is day and night. bruce lee would counter him and hurt him badly. bruce was trained in many arts forms and had a very good rear naked choke. in short bruce lee would have destroyed dempsey. it would not even b a fight dempsey was very slow with his punchs and footwork. its that simple. i honestly can say dempsey would not even b able to hit. ****ing idiot. sheesh.

 

this guy is delusional and living on what he has seen in movies, and absorbed from these actors public relations people. I doubt you will convince him at all. Best back off before he blacks out.