7 points on Mayweather vs Pacquiao

Discussion in 'World Boxing Forum' started by mrtony80, Nov 19, 2009.


  1. mrtony80

    mrtony80 Likes thick chicks Full Member

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    There is just too much money - and too much history at stake here. I mean, the number 1 and 2 p4p fighters having a chance to fight? How often does that happen? Hell, HAS it ever happened?

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    First of all, Floyd wouldn't go for it, and I think it was plain to see that the Cotto fight would have been the same even if they had fought at 147. Freddie Roach chose the catch weight with Cotto to be on the safe side, most likely, and I'm pretty sure that by now, he is confident enough to let Manny fight someone at 147.

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    Sure, PBF dominated JMM, who has Pac's number, but as the old adage says...styles makes fights. Mayweather has struggled against high volume punchers, just watch the first Castillo fight, the first half of the De La Hoya fight, and believe it or not - certain parts of the Hatton fight. Mayweather got popped a few times in all three of those fights, and neither one of them is as fast and accurate as Pacquiao.

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    Mayweather is just too defensively gifted. Manny will land some shots, but not as cleanly as he did against De La Hoya, Hatton, and Cotto. I don't even see Pac knocking Floyd down -or out - but he could apply pressure like Oscar did, but unlike Oscar, his punches will be faster, and he won't wilt in the second half of the fight.
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    As a black man, I must say, I see no credibility in the "Pacquiao ducks black fighters" theory. Pacquiao hesitated in talking about Mayweather after the Cotto fight, because for one, that isn't his nature to call anyone out, (by the way, at this point, he shouldn't have to) and second, boxing politics may have played a roll in him not saying much. There is way too much on the line for him to call Floyd out right after such a bruising battle.
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    It's not the fear of getting beat up that has Mayweather scared, it's the fear of losing his beloved "0". That fear is why we haven't seen Mayweather fight the likes of Shane Mosley and Paul Williams, and before November 14th, 2009, I think it might have been safe to throw Cotto's name in there. Mayweather's reasons for not fighting certain guys are at times...aggravating, to say the least. If you he thinks someone like Carlos Baldomir was worth fighting, then why the hell wouldn't Shane Mosley be? Mayweather has said that if Pac wants to fight him, Pac should say so. Well, Mayweather is smart. He knows Pacquiao isn't the type of guy to call someone out. Not blatantly, anyway. Pacquiao did admit he wants to fight Floyd, but knowing Floyd, he'll say something like..."Pacquiao needs to say it to my face!"
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    Mayweather and JMM (only because he has Pac's number) are the only two guys who deserve to be mentioned in the same breath as Pacquiao right now. Of course, JMM wouldn't get or deserve a 50-50 split, but Mayweather most definitely does. Both guys are in their primes, this is the fight everyone wants to see, and neither fighter is more popular than the other. I don't think. Pacquiao may have the edge because he has an entire country behind him. But either way, to say one guy deserves more than the other is ridiculous.
     
  2. FrochPascal

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    I only read the red bits because i gotta go and i pretty much agree with everything. Goodnight
     
  3. teeto

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    All good.
     
  4. 8count

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    don't know about the mayweather scared part... this is a money business.. if the money vs risk isn't right then whats the point?
     
  7. Gandul

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    2. Mayweather is probably a little scared of Pacquiao. It's not the fear of getting beat up that has Mayweather scared, it's the fear of losing his beloved "0". That fear is why we haven't seen Mayweather fight the likes of Shane Mosley and Paul Williams, and before November 14th, 2009, I think it might have been safe to throw Cotto's name in there. Mayweather's reasons for not fighting certain guys are at times...aggravating, to say the least. If you he thinks someone like Carlos Baldomir was worth fighting, then why the hell wouldn't Shane Mosley be? Mayweather has said that if Pac wants to fight him, Pac should say so. Well, Mayweather is smart. He knows Pacquiao isn't the type of guy to call someone out. Not blatantly, anyway. Pacquiao did admit he wants to fight Floyd, but knowing Floyd, he'll say something like..."Pacquiao needs to say it to my face!"



    Everything that you say makes sense but I would like to add something to this point. When Floyd says that Pac needs to say it I feel as if he is playing games and is asking Pac to say it to get some leverage in the negotiations. I might be wrong but having Pac saying "I want to fight YOU Floyd" it gives Floyd (perhaps in his mind) to say "see, he wants to fight me and therefore he needs to accept my demands" See were I'm going?
     
  8. charlievint

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    REAL TALK!!!! This man right here is a mother****ing BOXING FAN!!! Not just a Floyd or a PAC fan! Good work brah.:good
     
  9. knotty150

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    I agree with all those points except for the 50-50. It's not about who's the better fighter with this statistic, it'll all about who's generated the most revenue over recent fights, and the clear winner here is Mayweather, by quite a lot.

    This is the single most underpinning factor regarding whether or not this fight happens, and it's probably not even to do with the money as much as it is arum/mayweather submitting in accepting a smaller purse split. I think in this case, arum's just gonna have to bugger it, and agree to a 45-49/51-55 split. Probably doesn't seem like a lot, but that 1% would be a massive egotistical high horse for mayweather.

    Personally I think Roach/Pac are going to have to push arum into a marginally lower purse split. The fight HAS to happen. Imagine looking back in a few years time if it doesn't, it'd simply be a colossal gap in boxing.
     
  10. charlievint

    charlievint Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    I agree with that! Floyd is trying to win little battles before the actual fight.
     
  11. Jbuz

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    De La Hoya vs. Whitaker was from memory? [Jones had lost to Griffin hadn't he?]

    Duran vs. Leonard was definitely.

    Leonard vs. Hearns was definitely.

    De La Hoya vs. Trinidad would've gone close, though I would imagine Jones was number 1.

    Hell even De La Hoya vs. Mosley would've gone close.
     
  12. Gandul

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    His point is that Floyd is afraid to lose is SO LOVED 0 and I agree with him. If you listen to Floyd when he talks about Pac he always says that "He has been beat before, he has been KO before" demeaning Pac because he has some losses in his record which to me, it tells me that HIS record is important to him and the fact that no one has beat him is something for him to be proud of and he doesn't want to loose that.
     
  13. Danny_Rand

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    Yawn. I cant believe we are going over this and its 2009. Mayweather called out Mosley twice and Mosley declined. So how are you afraid of someone you called out twice. And he fought Baldomir because it netted him 8 mil, a shot at Oscar and the undisputed Welterweight title of the world.

    REally, are all Floyd haters this thick?
     
  14. Flexb

    Flexb Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    Damn, I forgot just how good Oscar was and how much top notch competition he faced.:D
     
  15. Royal-T-Bag

    Royal-T-Bag Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    great post and i fully agree