Leonard Ellerbe - We're trying to make a deal, not break a deal'

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  1. stilltharow

    stilltharow Active Member Full Member

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    Floyd Mayweather’s adviser called the 1.25 million domestic pay-per-view sales for the Manny Pacquiao-Miguel Cotto fight “great for the sport of boxing” but stressed they would have no impact on negotiations for a potential Mayweather-Pacquiao blockbuster.

    Leonard Ellerbe instead emphasized Mayweather’s superior pay-per-view sales against three common opponents.

    "If a deal can be struck, this is the biggest fight ever,” Ellerbe said. “The fans want it and Floyd wants it. That's all that really matters, that Floyd wants it. Now it comes down to does Manny want it. Manny obviously will be speaking through his promoter, because that's his boss. Floyd has made it clear he wants the fight."

    Ellerbe pointed out that Mayweather outdrew Pacquiao in domestic sales for pay-per-view fights against Oscar De La Hoya (2.44 million to 1.25 million), Juan Manuel Marquez (1 million to 375,000) and Ricky Hatton (950,000 to 810,000).

    "Floyd clearly is the biggest star in boxing, based on the numbers against the same three common opponents,” Ellerbe said. “And all six of those fights were in a three-year span. It wasn't any long period of time. This isn't difficult to figure out at all. Pacquiao's side has a distorted perception of facts. But numbers don't lie. People do."

    Ellerbe said the Mayweather camp is in the process of formulating a negotiating plan and will relay that information through Richard Schaefer, CEO of Golden Boy Promotions, when the time is appropriate.

    That should happen next week, when the two sides are expected to begin negotiating in earnest.



    Bob Arum, Pacquiao’s promoter, has said he would prefer to cut the deal with Schaefer’s involvement. Ellerbe said that avoiding personality conflicts is precisely why the Mayweather camp will comply.

    “We're trying to make a deal, not break a deal," Ellerbe said.

    Shane Mosley apparently is Mayweather’s backup option, just as a third fight with Marquez appears to be Pacquiao’s.

    Mosley is scheduled to fight Andre Berto in January.

    “If a deal can’t be reached, and if Shane beats Berto, we’ll look into the possibility of fighting him,” Ellerbe said.

    There also has been unsubstantiated talk about Mayweather taking an interim fight in January, possibly in England against Matthew Hatton, Ricky Hatton’s brother.

    “I've heard a lot of rumors and I don't pay a lot of attention,” Ellerbe said. “We're the ones making our decisions and Floyd has made it perfectly clear to us that he wants to make the Mayweather-Pacquiao fight.”

    HBO Sports president Ross Greenburg said after the Pacquiao-Cotto fight that the thought of either Mayweather or Pacquiao taking an interim fight before facing each other “makes me ill.”

    “My response is that our focus is on trying to get a deal done,” Ellerbe said. “If we can't get a deal done, my responsibility is what's in the best interests of Floyd Mayweather. Ross Greenburg's responsibility is the best interests of HBO."

    Ellerbe called Pacquiao “a good little fighter” but suggested a fight with Mayweather would be as big a mismatch in the ring as their pay-per-view numbers against common opponents have been outside of it.

    "The numbers are great for the sport of boxing but he had a legitimate dance partner,” Ellerbe said. “Cotto is a very good fighter who's had a lot of visibility on pay-per-view, against (Antonio) Margarito, against (Zab) Judah, against Mosley, against Pacquiao."

    http://www.mlive.com/mayweather/index.ssf/2009/11/floyd_mayweathers_adviser_on_m.html
     
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  2. KO Boxing

    KO Boxing Boxing Addict Full Member

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    The common opponents with higher PPV sales thing is a VERY good point.

    But 50/50 at 147, the fight's big enough that BOTH guys would take home a huge chunk.
     
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  3. Uncle Oden

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    anyone with a pulse realizes this fight is happening and it's happening 50/50. I bet this **** is finalized right around the Mosley-Berto fight.
     
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  4. sdsfinest22

    sdsfinest22 Pound 4 Pound Full Member

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    if they want it in May than that would be too late ..I remember oscar-floyd being signed in Nov 2006 and they started promoting super bowl week
     
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  5. PirateGorilla

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    LOL

    "The numbers are great for the sport of boxing but he had a legitimate dance partner,” Ellerbe said. “Cotto is a very good fighter who's had a lot of visibility on pay-per-view, against (Antonio) Margarito, against (Zab) Judah, against Mosley, against Pacquiao."

    When Cotto was undefeated and was on fire:

    http://www.mlive.com/mayweather/inde...green_fla.html

    "'Ellerbe criticized Cotto's HBO and pay-per-view ratings, and said the Puerto Rican is not fiscally or historically appealing enough.'

    'It has nothing to do with Cotto's ability or talent, because I happen to believe he's a very good fighter,' Ellerbe said. 'I just don't think he brings enough to the table. Right now, he's not a draw in boxing. Outside of the hardcore press, nobody cares. If nobody's watching, what makes the guy important?'"

    Mayweather camp just full of contradiction.

    I say if Mayweather's camp do not want to do 50-50 at 147, Pacquiao should just move on. It's just a waste of time trying to negotiate with Mayweather. He came back to try to cherry pick on lighweights. Pacquiao actually fought Cotto not Mayweather. Pacquiao can retire today and his legacy has been set, his legacy is not based on "ifs",, "woulda", "coulda", and "shoulda". Casual fans want to see this, I'd rather see Pacquiao go after the winner of Berto/Mosley.


    Cotto was labeled a "nobody" but pulls 1.25 buys, East coast had greater PPV buy ins than the west coast, the Island of Puerto Rico shattered their records.
     
    PirateGorilla, Nov 20, 2009
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  6. Uncle Oden

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    this fight is already being promoted man. It is a bigger fight than that...as huge as that was....this is being spoken of everywhere and anywhere....it's just flat out bigger.
     
    Uncle Oden, Nov 20, 2009
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  7. lobk

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    That was then this is now.

    Make it 50/50.
     
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  8. Boom_Boom

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    Roach and Arum pretty much already conceded the idea that this fight is only going to happen at 50/50, if Mayweather cant agree to that its his fault the fight isnt being made and he will expose to the mainstream the ducker that he is.
     
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  9. hmi

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    Where's Rooney?

    Rooney, are you amenable to a 50/50 split?
     
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  10. sdsfinest22

    sdsfinest22 Pound 4 Pound Full Member

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    agreed...thats why im saying that signing around the end of jan wouldn't allow enough time to pull the fight off in may...

    good point too in how u mention the fight is being promoted NOW....:good ur right....all this hype and negotiation talk and all that is promotion....

    good post
     
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  11. Uncle Oden

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    already planning my party....Goddamn it'll be a holiday. The epitome of life for boxing fans.

    And i agree with people that say the public demands this fight and if either fighter backs down for whatever reason they will truly be ****ed and out of a lot of money....it's gonna happen
     
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  12. Fighting Pride

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    The Mayweather camp have their points for demanding more than 50%

    Manny Pac has his points for demanding more, plus it seems public sentiment on his side (look at all the polls on who deserves more)

    This fight should be a 50-50 split. Roach has already said they'd accept that, now it's up to Mayweather to quit stalling and get on with making this fight.
     
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  13. Uncle Oden

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    did you say stalling? The fight was 6 days ago. Easy there tiger....for **** sake
     
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  14. hmi

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    lol. Everyone is so excited for this fight that most forgot that Pacquiao fight just ended a few days ago. We already want the ink for the Pac vs Floyd done by now.
     
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  15. sdsfinest22

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    CO-SIGN...:good
     
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