If you ranked fighters purely on who they beat who would be top?

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  1. Lunny

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    Forget about how many losses are on their record, who has beat the most impressive list of fighters?

    Who has beat the most World Champions/ATGs?
     
    Lunny, Nov 22, 2009
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  2. McGrain

    McGrain Diamond Dog Staff Member

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    Dave Holly beat -

    Barbados Joe Walcott (top 20 pound for pound lock)
    Sam Langford (top 4 pound for pound lock)
    Jack Blackburn (top 20 lightweight lock)
    Joe Gans (only an arguable newspaper win, top 20 pound for pound lock)


    Not to shabby.
     
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  3. trampie

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    That is exactly how most people on here compile their lists, they do not count losses as a negative and the best win for a boxer is the best he could have achieved, so Marciano, Mayweather Jnr and Calzaghe are going to get marked down as they were probably better in every case than their best win and able to go another 1 or even 2 gears higher in an ATG sense, but posters on here will pin them down to their best win which is implying that they could not have performed one iota better ?, that is not true, losses should count as a negative.
     
    trampie, Nov 22, 2009
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  4. McGrain

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    Then why isn't Holly near the top of the lists? You'll go a long way before you find anyone with better wins, so if folk aren't taking his many losses into account, how to explain his absence from the top 30 p4p?
     
    McGrain, Nov 22, 2009
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  5. lefthook31

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    Hes on my list.
     
    lefthook31, Nov 22, 2009
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  6. trampie

    trampie Well-Known Member Full Member

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    Holly is a turn of the last century boxer, who has nowhere near the amount of wins that Gans, Walcott and Jack Blackburn had, if somebody like 'asero' looked at his boxrec record he would tell you half of his opponents had less than ten fights :roll:{ I know you dont have to tell me }.
     
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  7. trampie

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    From my last list :- Holly #153, Jack Blackburn #87, Barbadoes Joe #27, Gans #13 and Langford #3.
     
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  8. Manassa

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    EDIT: Mango.
     
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  9. GPater11093

    GPater11093 Barry Full Member

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    jimmy mclarnin would have a good shout here
     
    GPater11093, Nov 22, 2009
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  10. cotto20

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    Jimmy Bivins is worth a mention.......
     
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  11. trampie

    trampie Well-Known Member Full Member

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    If he's on your list I assume you mean top 100 so where have you got Jack Blackburn on your list who beat Dave Holly 3 times out of 4 fights {the one occasion he lost is recorded as a close decision}
     
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  12. McGrain

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    This thread is making me feel unwell.
     
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  13. Sweet Pea

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    Among the very best choices, IMO.
     
    Sweet Pea, Nov 22, 2009
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  14. GPater11093

    GPater11093 Barry Full Member

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    is it 13 HOFers he beat? something like that anyway
     
    GPater11093, Nov 22, 2009
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  15. Sweet Pea

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    Check out this list of names he beat:

    Benny Leonard
    Barney Ross
    Tony Canzoneri
    Lou Ambers
    Young Corbett III
    Billy Petrolle X2
    Kid Kaplan
    Pancho Villa
    Bud Taylor
    Sammy Mandell X2
    Sammy Fuller
    Sid Terris
    Al Singer
    Sergeant Sammy Baker
    Ruby Goldstein
    Ray Miller
    Joe Glick X3
    Stanislaus Loayza
    Billy Wallace

    And young versions of Jackie Fields and Fidel LaBarba twice (while he himself was a teen, mind you).
     
    Sweet Pea, Nov 22, 2009
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