Heavyweight Tourney:Rd 3:Wladimir Klitschko .Vs. John L. Sullivan

You got any pics of the first guys who went the four rounds with Wlad, I am thinking particularly of Big Carlos Monroe and Biko Botowamungu. Now those guys had a chin that would stand up to John L for 4 rounds, dont they.

Why not put up a picture of three guys that KOd a prime John L Sullivan to compare them with the 3 guys who kod Prime Wlad?

 

I'm gonna go with this. +1

 

Still obssessing over the physiques of boxers, eh, Seamus ?

These types of posts are hardly relevant to the specifics of the sport or analyses of fight-winning factors and more suited to admirers of the male form, wouldn't you say ?

It's not a bodybuilding contest after all, nor a exercise in homoerotic displays of an aethetic ideal, ....... you do know what I mean, dont you ?

 

Jameel McCline so titillates me.

Granted, I'm not a big fan of the eye-test. However, I personally know there is a huge damn difference going into the ring with guys willowy armed, 150 pounders and 230+ pounders who are strong as bulls. There's just a point where the suspension of disbelief regarding these 19th century fighters truly stretches the limits of the intellect.

Do you think that those of group A are as strong as Group B

 

I mean 10 rounds.

 

Donaldson was stopped in the ten rounder.

 

I dont think that group A represent the best or brightest of Sullivans opponents.

That aside I have already admited in this thread that Sullivan dominated one of the weakest, if not the weakest eras in heavyweight history.

 

Yes, but what's with all these middleweights taking John L so many rounds?

 

They generaly didn't.

Most of the slick technical types that Sullivan fought were tracked down and stopped prety quickly. For the Donaldson fight I could list a number of counter examples. Donaldson lasted as long as he did mainly because he went down repeatedly without being hit.

Somtimes Sullivan had to ease up on oponents to avoid the police intervening in the fight.

 

For the record, and because it is so important for everyone to know, I hold Sullivan in very high esteem as a boxer. According to what I have read, which is quite a lot over the years, he was lightning quick, extremely powerful and nimble. Of course, these observations were made in the nascent era of gloved boxing and without the benefit of observers being able to see many fighters (i.e. no video). So, a grain of salt.

 

So what do you think about the observations of Joe Choynski who clearly had seen and fought a lot of fighters?

Do you think that Sullivan would have done well in Jeffries era or Jack Johnsons era if he was inserted in their place?

 

John L Sullivan would attack ferociously at the start of the contest and I doubt Klitschko could survive past 4 rounds.
Sullivan wins by KO or TKO.

 

This is actually a very interesting matchup.

On my counts, Vlad currently has an 11-4 lead, on my count.

But, 9 people contributed to the thread but either did not make a prediction, or made a prediction for both fighters, depending on the rule set. Of the 11 that selected Vlad, at least half appeared to use the primitive argument. I would guess also that about half dont really know anything about John L and think that he was a primitive swinger who was not as good as hundreds of mythical black fighters that were held back. Interestingly, i have not seen many of those who voted for Vlad ever contribute to the classic forum (not necessarilly a bad thing).

Anyway, the fight is in the balance as if the undecideds were to side with John L, he would cause the upset. In order to make things fair, i think the rules need to be clarified15 rounds is not enough, i think that Wyatt Earp or someone of similar ilk needs to be firmly established as the referee, so that Vlad cannot just jab and grab without repercussions.

 

Wlad by KO 6. Stays behind the jab and frustrates John L beyond belief before lowering the right. Sullivan threw one punch at a time which Klitschko could easily avoid. Also to note Sullivan was KO'd by a cruiserweight corbett and would not be able to take the punching of a 245 Klitschko.