Why I Rank Calzaghe Above Hopkins

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  1. bodhi

    bodhi Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    :patsch
     
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  2. trampie

    trampie Well-Known Member Full Member

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    I am all ears

    [1] Do you think that Hopkins beats Calzaghe head to head, we have proof at the end of their careers, would the venue be important {Cardiff or Vegas, remember Hopkins complaing about the weather when he came over here to promote the Calzaghe fight and been given a pair of socks} ?

    [2] Is your ranking based on resume only {like most people, if so do defeats count}

    [3] We know its all subjective, but isnt it nice to have a list , where #17 beats #27 and #82 beats #83 etc, how many times do we see on here a poster say I rank such and such a boxer higher than such and such a boxer, but if they were to meet in the ring the other one would win.

    [4] Is it Joes fault that they never fought in 2001 [believe that was the year], when Hopkins pulled out of the fight
     
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  3. horst

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    Yes, it shows mate.
     
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  4. essexboy

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    Hopkins actually beat prime world class fighters his whole career. You cannot justify having Calzaghe, a man whose career was neatly laid in front of him in the form of countless talentless boxers above him. Hopkins beat Glen Johnson, Felix Trinidad, Oscar de la Hoya, Antonio Tarver, Winky Wright and Kelly Pavlik. None of Calzaghe's wins are as impressive as them.
     
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  5. fita

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    LOL so predictable. 'I've been watching boxing longer than you therefore everything I say is right and your opinions are worthless even when they make much more sense than mine'.

    Awesome
     
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  6. bodhi

    bodhi Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    Prime for prime. Hopkins beats Calzaghe and it wouldn't be close as when he beat him in '08.

    Resume is fact. H2h is speculation. I could speculate that Miranda would knock Calzaghe out. Prove me wrong.

    So, you rank Buster Douglas higher than Mike Tyson?


    Does it matter? Don't care to answer, it is a rethorical question. Like with every situations like that it's he fault of both.
     
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  7. bodhi

    bodhi Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    He knows wha he is talking about. You don't. That's the difference.
     
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  8. horst

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    I'll tell you what's more awesome, someone actually making this catastrophic point on a serious boxing forum:

    "You can't take resume into account when ranking fighters if the two fighters have fought each other".

    How about you take yourself over to Wikipedia, look up 'Randolph Turpin', then look up 'Ray Robinson', and then come back here and apologize for your miserable input.

    Sound fair?
     
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  9. horst

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    Or 'Mike Tyson' and 'Buster Douglas', since you're not well versed in the old guys. The point is the same anyway.
     
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  10. fita

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    Aaaah, selective quoting. I think you missed the 'unless one of them was clearly shot'. Kinda changes the meaning don't you think?
     
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  11. trampie

    trampie Well-Known Member Full Member

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    If two boxers are in the same group {standard, ability etc} and one boxer has beaten the other boxer in the ring, he is going to be ranked higher by me.

    Read it and weep, that is what I said in the original post.
     
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  12. bodhi

    bodhi Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    Calzaghe isn't in he same group as Hopkins :deal
     
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  13. horst

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    :huh So who was clearly shot between Turpin and Robinson? Or Honeyghan and Curry? Or Douglas and Tyson?
     
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  14. horst

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    Who do you rank higher between Roberto Duran and Thomas Hearns?
     
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  15. fita

    fita Member Full Member

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    As I said, I don't know about the first two fights, but we all know why Tyson didn't perform at all in that bout. What was Hopkins excuse? He wasn't shot. He didn't have any personal problems that prevented him from training. He didn't have any mental problems. No serious injuries. And either side of the loss managed to beat top, top fighters. He just lost to the better man. The end
     
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