Why I Rank Calzaghe Above Hopkins

Who do you rank higher between Willie Pep and Sandy Saddler?

What about Emile Griffith and Jose Napoles?

What about Evander Holyfield and Lennox Lewis?

Larry Holmes and Michael Spinks?

Wilfredo Gomez and Azumah Nelson?

De La Hoya and Trinidad? Morales and Pacquiao? McCallum and Kalambay?


There are just so many examples!

 

The End is that you have made a very silly statement, and have been proven wrong completely.

One last thing: since you have only been following boxing for 10 years, who do you rank higher between Vernon Forrest and Shane Mosley?

 

The proper way to do a head to head list is on how well you see theprime fighters doing against the field, both in the divisions they fought and P4P if relevant.

Trampie and fita seem to be missing the point a bit.

A proper head to head list shouldn't really look all THAT different from the typical balanced criterion most here use.It's the guys who fought in the real deep weightclasses, but had maybe something missing or were around at the time of an even better fighter that might benefit the most, Buchanan, Dejesus,Valdez, Winstone, Marcel,Rose,eddie Mustafa...those sort of fighters.

 

How about you answer my question about Hopkins first? You'd make a good politician.

 

I believe Calzaghe’s big mistake was beating Chris Eubank so early on in his career. Do not try to tell me none of the top dogs in the US didn’t take any notice of this one. They refused to take on such a dangerous unknown opponent, because he simply was not worth the risk.

Yes, Frank Warren probably protected Calzaghe during this time but it was the same thing that Roy Jones Jr’s promoter was doing over in the U.S., as Roy was making a name for himself in the middleweight division fighting boxers who couldn’t lace his boots.

You got to give credit to Mikkel Kessler for stepping to the plate to fight Calzaghe, which in fairness, Kessler probably had to do as he will have been having the same problems as Joe. A talented dangerous Dane who couldn’t command the money or the glamour. Make no mistake, Calzaghe easily beat Kessler in this fight and Kessler had been on fire for years.

So what now? The Americans decide to send their brightest star in Jeff Lacy to silence the annoying Welshman once and for all. There is no way anyone in the Lacy camp thought Calzaghe would beat him but beat him he did in emphatic style.

Cue Bernard Hopkins finally realizing he was big news and smelt a payday a mile off. Don’t tell me Hopkins was finished as AFTER this fight. He destroyed one of the best middleweights in the world in Kelly Pavlik (yes, I know I’m gonna get the banter that Pavlik jumped up a weight but so did Calzaghe.)

I have no idea where the notion comes from that Bernard won this fight. Were you watching the same fight as me? I didn’t give Hopkins a round in the last seven of the fight, which ended up with Calzaghe winning by a 12 round split decision.

So here comes Roy Jones wanting a payday, too, and he decided to come in defending with his face and was beaten to a pulp. The only reason that I believe Calzaghe didn’t knock him out was out of respect.

So before anyone comes back and says Calzaghe didn’t fight anyone, please remember it was these so-called “legends” that avoided Calzaghe for years, and not the other way around. And when they did come calling, Calzaghe beat them all.

 

Even if we accept your premise that Calzaghe always beats Hopkins (I am skeptical) you still have to factor in that Calzaghe fought most of his career in a higher weight class.

It would be a case of a natural supermiddleweight beating a natural middleweight and would not necisarily result in Calzaghe being higher on a pound for pound list.

 

You aren't making a good boxing poster.

You said that if two fighters have fought then resume doesn't come into consideration when ranking them.

Yet you refuse to back up your own statement when called on it.

Who do you rank higher between Vernon Forrest and Shane Mosley?

Explain yourself, or admit your statement was silly.

 

agreed! well this one anyway. jesus,i can believe how deluded people are about calzaghe

 

ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha. this is a wind-up, right?

 

THis post was obviously created after a long night of drinking in WALES! :-(

 

Damned those Joe C. nuthuggers really start to eat away my appreciation of him. I start to actually dislike him. You guys do a bad job.

 

Selectively quoting me again. You're pretty repetitive aren't you? I explained my simple logic earlier on in the thread since when you've refused to prove my point wrong. Mostly because you can't.

Now, back to Hopkins. Excuses for losing?

 

Agreed! And i'm no Calzaghe nuthugger either but these debates work both ways!

Those who accuse those of licking Joe's arse are cleary on the very opposite side of the coin tit for tat i say