Fighters that were ruined in one fight!

Discussion in 'World Boxing Forum' started by Jeff M, Aug 31, 2009.


  1. Kid Cuba

    Kid Cuba Boxing Junkie banned

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    I agree with all but that one.
     
  2. war4years

    war4years Well-Known Member Full Member

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    mayweather was ruined by jose luis castillo. castillo took his balls, and he's been cherry-picking ever since.:deal
     
  3. war4years

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    hahaha
     
  4. Thread Stealer

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    I think that loss messed with Trinidad mentally. He fought once more a few months later and then didn't fight for two and a half years. After his next loss, he left for another two and a half years.

    Maybe it was just total confusion and frustration against Wright, but it seemed like he was sort of resigned to losing and going through the motions. Whereas against Hopkins, Trinidad had that "0" to protect, and seemed more willing to go through the fire to try to protect it.
     
  5. bill poster

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    Hamed by Barrera - not physically but mentally ruined.

    Grant by Lewis..same
     
  6. BIGRIGHTHAND

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    Hatton will come back for a couple final fight in england. He can pack a socccer staduim easily.
     
  7. horst

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    What a load of old dog****. What a childish view of boxing.


    Trinidad wasn't ruined by Hopkins at all. Oscar had already proved that Tito could be outboxed by a clever fighter before he got in the ring with B-Hop. He would always have lost to any strong middleweight with an excellent defence, and that's what Hopkins and Wright were. If he was "ruined", how do you explain the Mayorga performance?

    Fail.


    Hatton wasn't ruined by Mayweather. Collazo had already shown that Ricky didn't have a chin up at welterweight, and after that fight Hatton still dominated the consensus number 2 in his division at the time, Malignaggi. Don't forget that after the Malignaggi fight many people were saying Floyd Sr had made Hatton a better all-round fighter than ever before. Also, Hatton did a far better job on Malignaggi than Cotto had.

    Fail.


    Cotto wasn't ruined by Margarito. After that fight, he took on one of the toughest and strongest fighters in his division, Clottey, and managed to win the fight with clearly impaired vision due to a horrendous cut. How many fighters could win what was viewed beforehand as close to a 50-50 fight with the use of one eye for most of the fight? Also, Cotto had already proved by then that he was not gunshy and had not lost the killer instinct by brutally stopping Michael Jennings for the WBO title.

    Fail.


    Judah was not ruined by Tszyu. Judah had hardly fought anyone decent before running into the far more experienced and simply greater fighter Tszyu. He was beaten by a better fighter on the night, but he was not knocked out cold or subjected to a vicious beating. He recovered afterwards to have some good wins (better than any he had before he met Tszyu), but lost fights that he would have lost anyway as he was simply never that good. Good natural talent, but glaring deficiencies that were always there.

    Fail.


    How on earth can you say Margarito was ruined by Mosley?? That doesn't even make sense. Margarito hasn't fought again yet, so we have no clue how he will react. Idiotic comment.

    Fail.


    Jeff Lacy was not ruined by Joe Calzaghe. Anyone who saw Lacy fight Omar Sheika BEFORE he got to Calzaghe knew Lacy was never a very good fighter anyway. Calzaghe only confirmed what the discerning fan already knew. And Lacy's shoulder surgery had more to do with his declining performances afterwards than any after-effects from losing a decision to a more experienced opponent in that opponent's backyard.

    Fail.




    The only one you have a case for is Maccarinelli, who was never a world-beater before but who completely lost his way afterwards in a way all of your others did not, losing to fighters far below his own level.


    Instances of fighters being "ruined" by one fight are very, very rare in boxing. You either have to be subjected to a prolonged and brutal beating (like Duran vs Davey Moore) or have your machismo taken by an early blowout (like Enzo Mac vs Haye), but even then there are many times when a fighter recovers strongly from a brutal beating (like Barrera did after Jones I and Pacquiao I) or recovers strongly from an ego-slaying early blowout (like Judah v Tszyu).

    Fighters are tough. It is childish to think that having your zero taken means that a fighter is mentally changed forever, and it's silly to think that being stopped for the first time ruins a fighter's punch resistance. Of course there are instances of these, but to simply list every emphatic loss of the past few years and say they "ruined" a fighter because that fighter later suffered another loss or two is stupid. Fighters lose fights. If they lose a second, it is not an automatic consequence of the first. That's ******ed. That supposes all these fighters were amazing to start off with, and would never have lost to their second conqueror if they hadn't already lost to the first. Already I'm sinking into this quagmire of bull****.............

    Grow the **** up.