In a real fight, your main priority is to beat your opponent while standing up, whether his buddies are around or not. Sure fight could end up on the ground but its certainly something you dont want to be in. Because being on the ground give you less options, you cant just run if you need to, you cant pick objects to use as weapon or shield, a lamp post, trashcan, tree can all be useful in a shitty situation. And what if the buddies turn up, you stay on the ground and basically get stomped and kicked to death. In the ring well, its different story... But then even fighters in the ring dont like being on the ground unless its going to give them the advantage.
So if you're so good, get a contract w/ the UFC. If wing chung is such a leg up, then you should dominate like all the other MMA fighters who brought practical, but underused skills to the octagon. Fact: MMA is mainstream If Wing Chun is as effective as you say, either someone current would have incorporated it, or someone new would have stomped a mud hole through the comp & made a name. Either way, the result would have been the same: Gracie-like domination & exposure...:deal
And? That's still not evidence that a your martial art is better than the proven ones in the MMA. Frankly, it's a cop out. "My MA is better, but I can't reallly show you b/c then I'd have to kill you..." Your argument boils down to it's better b/c you avoid the ground game b/c you never know who'll turn up...:blood...instead of arguing mechanics & practicality. Fact: most fights will devolve into grappling at some point. regardless of the style, once fighters get close, someone's going to try & grapple, if they're smart. What's your MA's defense against grappling? Against in-fighting? Against being in a disadvantaged position on the ground? Dominant position on the ground? I've asked this a lot of times and a lot of the answers are along the lines of it wouldn't get there.
Whatever. The best real "street" self-defense is avoiding confrontations or track and field. You think your wing chun will help you against two guys with knives more than MMA will? I say both are inadequate, and any martial arts instructor worth his salt would tell you track and field is the best training in this situation.
But you don't understand, his Wing Chun will PREVENT the fighter from grappling him. All he has to do is not get taken down or get in the clinch and he will win. Just watch Gracies in Action and you will see how this approach worked when all of the other kung fu/wing chun/whatever guys tried it. It's very difficult to grab a hold of someone who doesn't know how to defend it. Grabbing someone is a very low percentage attack, after all.:roll:
Man, if you can uproot trees and lamp posts to use as weapons or shields...I don't think you need to worry about learning any martial art. You could also try stomping on the ground to cause a shockwave that'll knock your opponent down. Just be careful not to accidentally kill him.
Im not sure where you got the idea of uprooting trees/lampost. Using it as a temporary shield between you and the bad guy could be enough to save your life. Have you ever lived in a country/place where your life is in constant danger? My cousin brother in law was stabbed to death recently for getting involved in a fight. My GF bro was put in prison because he was mistaken for a person who killed someone in a brawl. My sister in law uncle was involved in a dispute using machette, one of the guy had his arm chopped off. I seen alot of **** with my own eyes when I was a kid. To get an idea where that was, look at the lastest masacre where loads of people were killed. To some people life is all about getting home alive, there is no entertainment out there. Anyway enjoy your mma in a comfort of your home while you eat your burgers.
Spare me sweetheart. We're talking about actual logical application you're talking about going to war without a gun. Stop trying to prove your point by throwing it at extreme situations. No one is going in with martial arts into a gun fight genius. Get a ****ing clue or get off your pedestal.
Gun? where did I mention gun? its you who brought out the gun out of no where in this thread. atsch I was only saying that a real fight can involve any weapons and so must be prepared to use anything that comes along to gain advantage and not rolling on the ground. This is even more so if you live in a country where survival is a priority. Never though of using a trashcan to distract your opponent and ultimately end the fight or get away from it? Have you ever been in a real fight? Even school kids fight with knife these days. Yeah I been in one where I was nearly stabbed in the neck. This was right outside my school. Lucky the PE teacher saw whats going and Im glad I lived. Did you expect me to take this guy on the ground while hes trusting the knife in my kidney? You do realise that anything can happen outside the ring, I have seen fight where a metal file was involved, this was straight after the metal work class we had. I doubt you been in a life and death situation before. So exactly what is your logical application that you talk off? Mind giving us an example how you plan to survive a vicious attack on the street?
I do agree with what you are saying (That groundfighting is potentially much more risky in an urban environment than in the MMA cage). I hadn't read the whole thread...I just saw the opportunity to make a dumb joke and took it. When I first scanned your post I read it as "pick up objects to use as weapon, a lamp post or tree" (probably because I was a fan of the Incredible Hulk in my youth!). I apologise for the inappropriate joke...but I was just messing around, and meant no insult by it. I have not had to face the dangers you describe, and I give thanks for that. Take care of yourself out in the badlands. I hope things get better for you and your community.
NP dude, yeah I know, we all like to watch fight in the comfort of our home and thats including me. Im well aware of real life and death situation vs fight for entertainment, unfortunately many have never been and always think that mma = real streefight. Saying that, the place I nearly got stab was in peckham, thats in london. The other event where bunch of hooded gangs threw bricks at my car, this was in north london rough area where drug dealing was going on. I was just probably at the wrong time and wrong place. I had no choice but to drive in reverse and get the **** out as soon as possible. This is why whenever I go out, day or night Im always cautious. Whenever walking pass a potential danger, I try to make sure when I pass them there is an object in between me and the danger, hence the lampost/tree/trashcan/car I mentioned earlier. Even walking into a blind corner, I walk in such a way Ill see whats there first before I commit going there. I dont want baseball wacked into my head and not knowing where it came from. This is an alley way near where I live, I can either walk through there which is shorter or walk around the block. I quick glance will tell me if I should walk around the block or not. I know call me paranoid, but thats only because I grew in a rough country before moving to rough part of london, which is tame by miles.