Fighters who are often lauded as all time greats.....

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I have seen what very little there is to see of Jofre and I can't really call him that great with so little video evidence. How many Jofre fights have you seen?

Sorry but in a world where Harada is an ATG Tszyu is an ATG as well. If you apply a strict criteria for ATGness they both fail at making the cut.

 

Good post. Two fights sum up his entire lightweight career..atsch

Edgeing a decision in the rematch? Have you watched the fight?

As far as your second comment. Gatti, ODLH, Hatton and Judahd did! Baldomir beat Gatti and Judah and was built up by HBO to be a decent fight for the WBC title, I dont see anything wrong with taking that fight to win the title. Also how many Bob Arum fighters did you expect Floyd to face after having a nasty split with him? FLoyd was sueing the guy for not getting paid for fights while still under contract with Arum. Margo and Cotto were Arum fighters werent they? Mosley wanted to go to disney with his family rather than fight Mayweather right?

 

You're right. His two other wins at the weight over Phillip N'Dou and Victoriano Sosa really seal his ATG status.

 

We're not in disagreement regarding the greatness of Diego Corrales, but his victory over Jose Luis Castillo should be considered significant to someone who considers the man the 10th best fighter of the decade I would have thought.

It's not enough to just call Corrales a B level fighter, we have to then claim he was weight drained and going through trouble times with the court case too? He was schooled because he was in over his head...Mayweather was a far better fighter, and he gets credit not because he beat an undefeated Corrales, he gets it because the manner in which he did it.

 

Sweet Pea beat me to the punch on Floyd's "entire career" at lightweight.

Yes I have watched the second fight. I had Floyd winning by 4 points, but like most of the HBO crew I was profoundly unimpressed by PBF's performance. In a truly dreadful fight, I thought he was unconvincing, underwhelming, and thoroughly disappointing.

As for my second comment: Baldomir and Mitchell still didn't though. You can rattle off another few paragraphs, but the fact remains and will continue to remain that bigger name, bigger money, and better quality opposition was readily available when Floyd was at welter.

 

I'm not denying Floyd any credit. He was superb that night. However, it must be acknowledged that dismantling Corrales cannot rank alongside Whitaker dismantling Azumah Nelson or Ray Leonard dismantling Wilfred Benitez or even Roy Jones dismantling Toney. Chico was never on the same level as a Nelson, a Benitez or a Toney. Great performance, very good win, but nothing particularly special to be honest.

Many ATGs have scores of emphatic wins over Chico-level opponents.

 

I totally agree, but all I said to the guy was that I felt it was unfair mentioning the weight drained and court case excuses. Can't we at least give the guy one good win? Corrales was the best in the division at the time, he stepped up to the plate and schooled him into oblivion. Full credit to him.

 

Full credit to him indeed... for schooling a good but limited opponent who was never on his level anyway. Very good win, nothing spectacular.

 

PS: I don't give a scrap of credence to the "weight-drained, personal turmoil" stuff either. If Chico had came in at the absolute physical and mental apex of his life, Floyd would still have picked him apart with ease.

 

Just a thought........

Corrales would of given Mayweather a much better fight with Goosen in his corner imo. The strategy he used to beat Casamayor the 2nd fight would of been effective against Floyd, albeit he still might of lost.

 

:good It's all I'm saying.

 

130-135, you know what I meant.
Baldomir was for the WBC title, he had beaten Judah and Gatti, whats wrong with that fight? It certainly wasnt being looked down upon like it is now after Floyd outclassed the guy. He was never great, but your making him out to be a journeymen. So let me get this straight, two fights that he didnt take, and the third that couldnt be made, makes you pass judgement like this? He had three fights at welterweight Mitchell was his first fight at 47, and he fought ODLH for the 54 pound title. So not taking a fight with Margarito and Cotto overshadows his entire career? Its just ridiculous! What if he dismantles Pac?

 

Who said it does and who said Floyd ranks ahead of those guys you mentioned?