A knockdown can be evened out by simply winning a round?

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  1. pejevan

    pejevan inmate No. 1363917 Full Member

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    In 3rd round of the Pac-Cooto fight, a knockdown occurred which automatically making it a 10-8 round for Pac. However, most see it as a round won by Cotto barring of course the knock down.

    Lampley however commented that if Cotto will win the round, it becomes a 9-9 round (do not know where in the world allows a 9-9 round). Even the great Divac corrected me when I stated that at most cotto could get is a 10-9 round still in favor of Pac even if he won the round.

    My reasoning is as folows :

    You win a round (not a round where you punch a fighter from pillar to pillar without KD because that can be scored 10-8 ), then you gain a point advantage, or a 10-9 round.

    You get Knocked down, you lose 2 points, or a 10-8 round, automatically.

    Divac seemed confused most of the time. Had the knockdown appeared in the first 10 seconds, then Pac scored already a 10-8 round. Now, because Cotto was so brilliant that he actually won that round, then Cotto regained a point, meaning that the most that he can score is 10-9.

    There is simply no way to equalize a 2 point deficit by winning one point. It does not add up and Lampley was an idiot when it comes to scoring by repeatedly stating a possible 9-9 round.
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    But if Cotto had lambasted Pac from one pillar to pillar, then it is almost considered a knockdown and scored as such, that evens the round, or technically an 8-8 round but in a 10 point must system, a 10-10 round.

    But 10-10 in boxing is almost non-existent. even fights where both fighters do not connect as in most cases of first round, feeling out round, judges are obligated to score it with one winner for that round, may it by aggression alone, or by personal bias.

    Am I wrong???? There is one thing I am good at and that is arithmetics. I strongly and vehemently argue that both Divac and Lampley are both wrong. BTW, Divac scored the 3rd round a 10-10 round.
     
    pejevan, Nov 28, 2009
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  2. DeanoFlash

    DeanoFlash Boxing Addict Full Member

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    ...the way I've always seen it if you win a round you've got 10 pts and if you lose the round you've got 9 pts (without a KD). Now If you were knocked down you lose a point, meaning if you won the round and got knocked down you'd have 9 pts and the loser of the round would still have 9 pts.....i dun know
     
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  3. booradley

    booradley Mean People Kick Ass! Full Member

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    This is correct.
     
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  4. CrazyMac

    CrazyMac Nearly ExArmy Full Member

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    Im pretty sure that I disagree with all of you im afraid
    10 point must system before point deductions(fouls not knockdowns)
    Pac floored cotto so he cannot get less than 10. If Cotto was winning the round before and after the knockdown. Then I would be happy to give Cotto 9 points.(I dont think that Cotto was winning the round that clearly to warrant this)
    Under no circumstances can Manny get less than 10 points unless he is deducted a point from the ref.
     
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  5. thewinfella

    thewinfella The Golden Boy Full Member

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    Your making a very strong argument for Cotto in a very very even round , Cotto did not clearly win the round and he got knocked down .

    IMO 10 - 8 Pacquiao .
     
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  6. des3995

    des3995 Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    Any official judges out there that can clear this up?
     
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  7. toughy82

    toughy82 Active Member Full Member

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    Those are the rules, yes, a 9-9 round occurs when you win the round but I knock you down. Generally, the guy who gets knocked down does not simply have to win the round, but win it big. This rarely happens.
     
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  8. toughy82

    toughy82 Active Member Full Member

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    You lose a point when you don't win the round, and you lose a point for getting knocked down , not two.
     
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  9. lufcrazy

    lufcrazy requiescat in pace Full Member

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    it was a 10-8 round. you don't just have to be winnin the round the negate a knockdown. you have to dominate the round but suffer a flash knockdown. like in cunningham vs adamek, second kd i think?
     
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  10. cubex

    cubex Boxing Addict banned

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    You don't score a round 9-9 in a 10 point must system wihout a point deduction.
     
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  11. homebrand

    homebrand Well-Known Member Full Member

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    according to B**R**, how to score boxing:

    If a judge deems that fighter A has out-boxed fighter B in a round, then s/he will score the round 10 points for fighter A, and 9 points for fighter B. If fighter B is knocked down by fighter A, and receives a standing count, then the round is scored 10 points to fighter A and 8 points to fighter B. If the judge decides that neither fighter won a round, then he will score it 10 points to each fighter.
     
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  12. Jacko

    Jacko Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    Yeah, i think that is right.

    I remember reading an article by a judge who said that some people get a bit confused with the scoring when KD's and point deductions occur in rounds but he said the simple way of doing it is to first decide who won the round (so in this case its 10-9 to Cotto), then you take of a point for each KD and points of for any deductions.
     
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  13. cilldara11

    cilldara11 Guest

    This is my understanding of it. A knockdown gives you a 10-8, no matter how well the fighter knocked down recovers.
     
    cilldara11, Nov 28, 2009
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  14. elTerrible

    elTerrible TeamElite General Manager Full Member

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    Harold Letterman used to be a judge and is very into the details of all the commissions and all that. I am pretty sure Ive seen him give 9-9 rounds before so if he does it, I believe its legit.
     
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  15. eze

    eze Everybody Know Me Full Member

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    If Cotto won round 3.

    The round would be scored 10-9 for Pac.

    10 point must system. (Not including fouls)
     
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