Mosley or Trinidad? Who is Better All Time?

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  1. mikeweavertime

    mikeweavertime Active Member Full Member

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    Let's Take a Look.

    Felix Trinidad. Career Welterweight, Jr. Middleweight, Middleweight.
    3 Division Champion

    Great Wins: Fernando Vargas,

    Good Wins:William Joppy, Oscar De La Hoya(would have been great but was controversial), David Reid, Pernell Whitaker(Whitaker way past his prime and hadn't fought in year and half coming into the fight)Oba Carr, Yori Boy Campas, Hector Camacho, Ricardo Mayorga, Maurice Blocker

    Competitive Losses: None

    Bad Losses: Bernard Hopkins, Winky Wright, and Roy Jones Jr.(he won a few rounds against Jones but was largely out-classed.

    Years of Longevity- 1993-2002- Among the top 10 to 20 in the sport

    Sugar Shane Mosley: Career Lightweight, Welterweight, and Jr. Middleweight--3 division champion.

    Great Wins: Oscar De La Hoya I, and Antonio Margarito

    Good Wins: Philip Holiday, John John Molina, Jesse James Leijia, Wilfredo Rivera, Antonio Diaz, De La Hoya II(Close and Controversial)Fernando Vargas twice(Vargas past his best but still a bigger fighter coming off a few good wins) Luis Collazo, Ricardo Mayorga.

    Competitive Losses: Forrest II, Wright II, and Cotto

    Bad Losses: Forrest I, Wright I

    Longevity--1998-2009 Top 10 to 20 in sport(Still elite)

    Verdict: Mosley was the Better fighter Historically. Here is why. You could argue Trinidad was a better more accomplished Welterweight then Shane was a Lightweight. Which is true. Trinidad did more then Shane at their peak weights. Both were impressive, but Trinidad reigned longer. But it is not even close when it comes to the them competing at higher weights. Mosley was a far superior Welterweight then Trinidad was a Middleweight. Trinidad did good work at Jr. Middle, but he didn't stay very long and he was exposed at higher weights.

    Mosley was also better with Common Opponents De La Hoya and Winky Wright. The both also fought Mayorga and knocked him out. It has to be noted that Mosley is also a smaller fighter then Trinidad. Mosley was better.

    Mosley has been better longer, been better against better guys, and all of this evidence even though Shane was the smaller fighter.

    It would have been a great fight in 2001 it would have been a pick em fight. Too bad it never happened.
     
  2. dru

    dru Member Full Member

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    Very good acurate post and kudos on trying to be as unbiased as possible, dont know who wouldve won? but very very fair post of both fighters ssm and tito are great fighters .
     
  3. lONGCOUNTED

    lONGCOUNTED I Killed MMA Full Member

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  4. elmaldito

    elmaldito Skillz Full Member

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    Trinidad was using illegal wraps for reid, vargas, and joppy. I say mosley had a better career and isnt done yet.
     
  5. maciek4

    maciek4 Boxing Addict Full Member

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    Mosley for sure.
     
  6. mikeweavertime

    mikeweavertime Active Member Full Member

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    To be fair to Trinidad he did not use illiegal wraps like did Margarito. He was accussed of wrapping his hands illegally. I will give him the benefit of the doubt as there is no evidence, only speculation. I will dismiss it just like I did Mosley and Balco in 2003.

    The fact is Mosley is better historically and I think it is pretty clear. Both controversies non-withstanding.
     
  7. californicator

    californicator Active Member Full Member

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    trinidad was wrapping illegally.
     
  8. hellblazer

    hellblazer All-Time Greatâ„¢ Full Member

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    Mosley of course, and he's still in boxing.
     
  9. WhataRock

    WhataRock Loyal Member Full Member

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  10. Ted Stickles

    Ted Stickles Boxing Addict Full Member

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    Shane definately i think Tito is a little over rated
     
  11. KO KIDD

    KO KIDD Loyal Member Full Member

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    Great points and yes Moseley is better
     
  12. MrPR

    MrPR Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    Shane is a hall of famer,But Trinidad is a legend...theres the difference,Mosley can also be a legend,but he needs to beat maybe 1 or 2 more great welterweights and possibly jump and try to win a title in the middleweight division for me to call him a legend
     
  13. RightCross

    RightCross Grandmaster of Boxing Full Member

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    This is a very good post and I largely agree with you. I think there is two more advantages to Tito though and that was his devastating punching power and he was very fan friendly. We can try and dismiss a fighters popularity, but the fact is that popularity is tied to greatness. In this respect Tito has the advantage and right now it is very close since Mosley was able to sustain such a long career and he is still going. Right now an argument could be made for Trinidad based on my points, but it is very close and like has been mentioned Mosley is still fighting and if he wins another big fight it might tip the scales cleanly in his favor.
     
  14. mikeweavertime

    mikeweavertime Active Member Full Member

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    Shane is the better fighter..period. The evidence doesn't lie. Tito is a great fighter no doubt. Trinidad has a much bigger fan base which can lead to bias. But according to evidence and body of work Mosley is better.
     
  15. Hatesrats

    Hatesrats "I'm NOT Suprised..." Full Member

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