Mosley or Trinidad? Who is Better All Time?

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  1. Hatesrats

    Hatesrats "I'm NOT Suprised..." Full Member

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  2. mikeweavertime

    mikeweavertime Active Member Full Member

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    I don't think you can take fanbase into account when talking all time great fighters. There have been some ok fighters with great fanbases. Guys like Joe Mesi come to mind. You could account for Trinidad power because he had more then Mosley. But Mosley had blinding speed so I think that equalizes Trinidad's power. Plus I feel Mosley had more power then Trinidad had speed.

    Trinidad is a hall of famer no doubt but his fanbase skews how good he really was. Mosley was just better. Don't forget Mosley did better against bigger guys then Trinidad did against bigger guys. With guys there same size they were equally devastating.
     
  3. tliang1000

    tliang1000 Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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  4. RightCross

    RightCross Grandmaster of Boxing Full Member

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    I have done posts on this in the past and while I agree if you look purely at accomplishment and style that Mosley appears to have an advantage. But, it is my opinion that aggression and character both influence how a fighter is viewed historically. Look at guys like Ali, he had some losses and some controversial performances. But, it is his legend and fanbase that generally rank him as the greatest.

    So I dont particularly think a fanbase skews a fighters legend, it actually enhances it overall. You dont have to agree with it, but just ask a casual fan or if you poll the general public the fighters with the fan bases and the persona will be remembered rather than the pure technicians. Everyone knows who Tyson is, everyone knows who Ali is, most people know who SRL and DLH are..see where I am going?

    I dont think you cannot.
     
  5. Sweet Pea Pacquiao

    Sweet Pea Pacquiao Boxing Addict Full Member

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    Mosley, DLH, Trinidad, and Vargas was the Fantastic Four of the 90s-00s. While it was nowhere near the Fab Four of the 80s (Duran, Hagler, Leonard, Hearns), it had some great fights and interesting matchups.

    Too bad Mosley-Trinidad never happened to close the only hole in the loop.

    I think this is one fight that would be very even. Mosley could outbox Tito with his speed and footwork, or Tito in his prime could walk him down like Cotto did and wear him out.

    I wouldn't be comfortable picking a side here, but if I had to bet head-to-head, I'd put it on Tito, who was an absolute beast at 147 and 154 power-wise.

    All-Time you'd have to go with Shane but by a hair. Lineal at 147 and 154 like Trinidad, and was a beltholder at 135 (like Tito at 160).

    But it's Shane's body of work in what seems to be like a "second prime" with back-to-back wins over Vargas (albeit not prime Vargas) and a KO over Margarito to regain the welterweight title that has allowed him to inch ahead legacy-wise.

    Tito, on the other hand, had a really bad second run with a shutout 12-0 loss to Wright, who was moving up in weight, as well as a clearcut loss to Jones at a catchweight.

    Great post Mikeweavertime. I've enjoyed your posts so far. Keep it up.
     
  6. mikeweavertime

    mikeweavertime Active Member Full Member

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    I see your point on Ali. Mosley still holds the edge but you are right about the point you are making.
     
  7. JASPER

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  8. mikeweavertime

    mikeweavertime Active Member Full Member

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    I agree it would have been a great. It would have been something else if they did fight in 2001 at 154. it would have been a classic and a pickem fight. Probably one of the top 2 or 3 fights that NEVER happened this decade.
     
  9. 1lehudson

    1lehudson Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    Tito was a limited fighter, that really only beat a couple of propects and a few good old men.

    Shane is by far a better fighter in the historical sense, but not only that he would have dominated tito in a head to head fight. It would have been very much like Shane vs Margo.

    I loved Tito as a fighter and enjoyed watching him fight, his is to me a fighter that got to levels of boxing that went beyond his talents.
     
  10. anarci

    anarci Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    :deal:thumbsup Very good post "Weaver Time" I dont think i have to state my reasons why I also pick Mosley looks like you just did it:yep
    Are you from Pomona? Just wondering since Weaver and Shane are both Pomona guys. If so Im not to far from you about 10minutes from Pomona
     
  11. doomeddisciple

    doomeddisciple Boxing Junkie Full Member

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  12. AceNguyen

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    Trinidad's legacy took a huge blow with those humiliatingly one-sided losses to Wright and Hopkins. Great fighters just aren't supposed to be shut out like that. His flaws were even exposed in what was his best win on paper. Mosley will be remembered as the greater fighter.
     
  13. Flexb

    Flexb Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    Mosley through his longevity
     
  14. Flexb

    Flexb Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    Mosley got pretty dominated in the first Forrest fight and was pretty much outclassed in the 2nd one also, not to mention both Winky fights.
     
  15. AussieMauler

    AussieMauler Relative Unknown Full Member

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    Mosley by so far this is almost trolling.

    Tito has no adaptability and no change of pace. No significant skill outside of power.