Sonny Liston Vs Mike Tyson

I really think Tyson would win this matchup.

 

I think that Patterson became smarter as he got older. Prior to Liston really, he was a very offensive HW which given his lack of size/durability is going to spell doom against upper tier punchers.
After he was blown out by Liston, he used a smarter and more defensive gameplan, to tremendous success considering his back problems and age.

Had the Patterson pre Liston had the gameplan/smarts of post Liston we would of seen an even more formidable HW.

 

Tyson can take a bigger beating than Patterson so the fight goes a few more rounds, with the end result being the same. Sorry, thats the only way I see this going down. Tyson's too fast? Patterson was just as fast on the attack if not faster than Mike and Liston was still slipping and timing him. Just a horrible match up for Tyson, who would have a better shot at Foreman than the Bear.

 

Slipping Listons Jab and coming inside. perhaps would not deliver the same results for

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, that slipping The Jabs of other, "non-predatory" Fighters

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Met Like Tubbs, Thomas, Biggs, Etc, acheived,

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would probably Prey for an Insde Fight, Ok Give him a few Extra Inches Punching Room.

Sometimes Mike Does not keep working when up Very Close, (As a Frazier Would) and with his feet often too close together he can be pushed back as Holyfield Showed, I actually Do not have complete faith in Either to Grit it out if things start to go against them to any great degree, Unlike against mobile Boxers who they will, all being well, belive that they can ultimately catch up with and despatch, but in this match, both would recognise the other as a Heavy Density Predator , who doesnt let woulded prey off the hook, but destroys it in Brutal quick order !

Sometimes when

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feels threatened he seems to up the Trash Talk, But would he Tell

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he was going to make him his Girlfriend ? somehow i doubt it, i think they both spoke each others language,

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with looks more then words, and intimidation will not work, this one would have to be won through deed, and is it not beyond the bounds of possibility that

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might implode mentally and commit some horrendous Foul ? or

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if he starts to take a consistent Battering might Mentally Fold as opposed to Physically, with the Physical Fold to Follow ? Both are Great "On Top" fighters its when one Slips behind that the uncertainty begins,

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would probably be Favoured by the Younger Follower with Perhaps The Older Follower Favouring

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? ( I.m Probably In The Middle !)

I would feel that

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would be made the overall Bookies Favourite, But in which case would fancy an upset, i think a young - pre championship

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has the determination to Make

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Work and Take him to the Middle rounds, as i can see a lot of clinching and mauling, with each Fighters Bombruns being Sporadic and Short Lived, as

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Tires

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may find His Jab Starts to become much more Effective. once

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is Comfortable with the Pace, i Can See

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Winding Down Somewhat, and as

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feels his Second Wind coming on, i can See maintaining the pace and Keeping the Action Steady , but steady in his Favour, Like perhaps his fight with Machen, It may depend on how a tiring

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keeps it together as to wether he hears the final bell or not, if he starts Stumbling in Throwing Single shots before falling into a Clinch, i think

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would at some stage catch him coming in for perhaps an 8th Round ko,

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was reputed to be at his best in the Spinks Fight, BUT was spinks really that much of a barometer that night, Mercury may not freeze but Spinks surely did ! so once again

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had enjoyed things so very much his own way, But what would happen if this young Man-Child Starting couldnt intimidate his young strong opponent, and started taking his own medicine from the Stoney Faced one ?

If we are talking about A 22 - 24 year old

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against a 28-29 year old

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then Perhaps Sonny could of kept his (Embryonic ?) Inner demons in check long enough to get through the Dangerous early rounds until the Fight Settles down to a pace more Suited for Sonny ? He certainly has the strenght not to be bullied, Their Both Sprinters to a degree,

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much the Faster, but can he stay with

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over a Longer Distence ? Whilst it wouldnt Shock me if

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was to Treat

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Like he did Frank Bruno, i would favour the Upset with perhaps a Younger

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displaying a Disipiline and fortitude not usually associated with him, perhaps unfairly because of the clay results, but this Sonny was aging and overconfident by then,

The Younger

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could certainly cope with tyson's Intimidation because he could undertand it, he was after all a past-master himself, but i do have my doubts as to wether the perhap smore all-round Talented

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, - But A ManChild in his Acredited Prime, - could hold it together mentally when he finds himself on the receiving end from

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Truth to tell, if they both just cut loose, when the Mushroom Cloud clears it could be anyone on the canvas,

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is an instinctual operator, but if

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comes in behind the heavy Jab, Jams Tysons Attack Signals, puts Static in his Attic, and breeds in

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a sense of caution and having to Think before firing, then Sonny could nullify any disadvantage in lack of speed and create the openings and targeting time he requires to unload successfully.

Its easy to become seduced by

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on the strengh of his usual unhindered output, but i feel

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will not be nearly so effective when he has to operate while nasty Payloads are Incoming. Not from a technical "Boxer" Remember - But from a fellow destroyer

Two Bullies, Two Great "OnTop" Fighters, Man against Man Child

Call them what you will, I could easily of been proven wrong but

I'd Plumb for The Younger "Prime" Stoney-Faced One.

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two of the scariest heavyweight champs and guys who were street tough who wanted to deal pain. I think this fight would be amazing. Though I believe Liston''s jab is the deciding factor and the fact that Tyson never beat anybody who was not afraid of him. Though Tyson's speed is very much a factor it is not a factor in the way that Ali's was a factor.

 

I've said it before and i'll say it again: i don't think Liston's jab is going to play a key role in this fight. And it would be a fight. Neither man backs or has spent more than a few minutes in their entire careers on the backfoot. They will collide. And Tyson's clear edge in chin, huge edge in speed and marginal edge in technique and power make me favor him.


Every Liston supporter says "Liston ate guys up who came at him". What about Tyson? How many boxers came at him? None, because they knew they'd be toast. If Sonny takes it, then he has to out-fight Tyson at every range. His slow jab is not going to do much for him, unless he's already comfortably leading the match.

 

why do people keep saying this??? its such bull****. donovan ruddock showed absolutely zero intimidation both times he fought tyson and got donimated, mcneely all though a complete can, showed no fear of tyson and got the **** kicked out of him. tony tubbs probably showed the most aggression towards tyson in his prime and got put down with one left hook.trevor berbick tried to over power tyson and the results were disasterous. there has been many people that haven't shown any fear of tyson and got their ass kicked regardless.

 

Douglas stood his ground threw a tough jab not the paw jabs most of his opponents gave him. He was one of the few to throw combos at him. He also pushed Tyson around the ring. Holyfield showed no fear coming in and roughhousing Tyson and using his head. Tyson bit him and the man came at him with a full head of steam. Ruddock and Mcneeley were not great fighters. Liston an A+ plus no fear=Liston victory

 

I'd say Liston was more well rounded than Tyson. Really there's few if any fighters with more to their game than Liston, but I'd say Tyson's midrange attack/combos (basically his game) is better than anything in Liston's toolbox. But yeah, Liston as a heavyweight may be unmatched in terms of being a technical boxer, I laugh when people call him a slugger or crude.

I'll say it again too, Tyson was more proven against various styles and sizes and thus more likely to show some weaknesses. Listons opposition (while good and very under rated) mainly consisted of guys who he had considerable size and strength advantages over.

 

this is complete nonsense KO KIDD, you specifically stated that anyone that didn't fear tyson won. there have been many opponents that didn't fear tyson and lost regardless. you managed to name a whopping two fighters in his prime that weren't afraid of him and beat him, wow! very impressed *end sarcastic remark*atsch

 

Its the most annoying and inaccurate cliche in boxing, after 'Roy Jones had no skills and was just fast'

 

Holyfield has the mobility, the better chin and used lateral movement mixing up his attack to neutralize Tyson. Liston for better or worse doesnt fight that way. I also think's Tyson's techinical abilities are being underrated here. He had a pretty good jab himself not to mention his technique top tier. Someone mentioned that Dempsey bob and weave was arbitrary whereas Tyson's was a pattern. There is a reason for that; he's always in a position to punch.

Whats being looked at here is what Liston is going to do to Tyson and what's not being acknowledged is what Tyson is going to do to Liston. Tyson's notoriously fast starts, edge in hand speed and superior power is going to make Liston fight at a fast pace, one that he may not be comfortable with. Can he time Mike with his jab?

Its possible, but all things considered Tyson certainly takes punishment
better than Liston and when you factor in the speed and power it becomes a more compelling case for Tyson. I'd definitely make Tyson the favorite in this one.

 

And Ali went in with Liston and made him quit twice. What's your point? Just because Liston has a better jab doesn't necessarily make him the superior technical boxer. Tyson has better combination punching, head movement and defence in general. He never took as much punishment as Liston did against Williams in such a short time, for instance. And on the other hand, he did face many more bigger, skilled and heavy punching men. Liston isn't half as proven against that and would find out something new when facing Mikey!