An old Carlos Ortiz loses to Ken Buchanan

I'm pretty positive it wouldn't have been. That was a shell of the former Ortiz. Would've been an excellent technical affair had the two met prime for prime, though.

 

I'm sure this would not be the outcome had they met prime for prime.

Ortiz can't pull the trigger here and his reflexes are such that he can't deflect the punches.

Ortiz forgot more than Buchanan would ever learn.

 

Agreed. Buchanan was an excellent fighter, but prime for prime I definitely think Ortiz woulda won.

 

I just got this fight a week ago, it was sadly not the same Ortiz that beat Joe Brown.

 

One of the saddest displays ever.

Ortiz was well beyond shot by this time. He was basically shot several years earlier and had retired, but sadly came back and worked his way back to this tragedy.

 

Yeah, he looked like John C. Reilly in this fight. :-(

Even worse than his reflexes (or lack thereof) was that he looked like he had no strength at all in his body or punches. When he lost his title to Cruz (a lackluster performance itself), he said he could no longer make the 135-pound limit (which had always been an effort for him), and he moved up to 147; but he looked like **** against some journeyman (I can't remember his name) and then quit. I would imagine coming back down to around 135 left him pretty weak by this time.

 

thats going a bit far ortiz forgeting more than ken would learn! ken was a great fighter him self

 

He apparently said that he was in the best physical condition he possibly could have been in, but that his hand-eye coordination and reflexes had deserted him. Frustration was his primary emotion and motivation for packing it in. He saw no point in going the distance in a situation where the outcome was certain.

 

I really think Buchanon can beat a prime Ortiz with his movement, great boxing skill, defense faster hands. No easy fight. Ken gets seriously underrated though and what a shame it is he never got a Duran rematch or maybe a DeJesus fight

 

Niow, regardless of how past prime Ortiz is there, I'd say in a series of 3 Ken's own adabtibility, punch variety and all-round skill in defence/offence would see him in a decision.

That was NOT Ortiz, but Prime for Prime they match up well, they both have attributes (mainly the mixing up of fighting, mid-range and 'pure' boxing) to cause each other serious headaches.

IMO :good

 

Buchanan is NOT Overrated on here.

Fact is, you started a thread saying Guzman-Funeka WASN'T a robberyatsch

 

I said UNDERRATED, learn how to read fleabrain

And yes I did, I had it 7-5 Funeka for the record and as mentioned on the thread I said Guzman got his ass kicked from rounds 8-11, but in terms of round by round it was very close with Guzman doing the better work early as Funeka was inneffective early doors, 6-6 is a possible score, watch and address the rounds I discussed or STFU you anorexic stalker

Now remind me what great boxing analysts most you muppets on here are, picking Cotto over Pacquaio