Can someone without any proper fighting experience make a decent coach?

Discussion in 'Boxing Training' started by ohnodontpressth, Nov 30, 2009.


  1. ohnodontpressth

    ohnodontpressth New Member Full Member

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    Hey guys.

    Recently I have moved jobs/cities and a few guys at my new work discovered i used to box "a bit" and asked if I would show them a few things in the gym. In truth I didn't really think I knew that much about the sport and would struggle to show them anything usefull but eventually I said "Ok, why not" I thought if nothing else at least I could give them something as far as condiditoning training goes.

    Anyway, to cut a long story short I have been working with 4 different guys so far (last few weeks) and I have really surprised myself at just how much I do know about the sport (although admittedly nothing compared to many) and how well I can explain it. All of the guys seem to really enjoy it and, if I am allowed to say so, look pretty bloody impressive all things considering (they are intelligent guys though admittedly). I also really enjoy it too and am starting to wonder if I have the makings of a decent coach and would be able to help out at a gym or whether my own lack of personal experience damages either my credibility or would be a limiting factor in being any good as i'm not doing this for an ego trip. My background is that I have trained in gyms for about the past 5 years (im in my mid 20's) and solidly for the past 2 years (4+ times a week on average) but, due to work etc, have moved around a hell of a lot in that time and as such found it difficult to form strong relationships with coaches and get fights under my belt. I also now have a job that, unfortunately, is pretty incompatible with an amateur career, but I always have and will train hard nevertheless. However, on the plus side over this time, I have sparred a decent amount of people and also been around a lot of different coaches to pick things up. Although pretty subjective, i honestly feel i have the attributes to be a reaosnable amateur based on my previous experiences. As well as this I watch a lot of fights, lhave always listened in the gym, have decent knowledge of fitness/nutrition, am reasonably intelligent (debatable), generally get on well with people and really love boxing.

    So basically what im asking is this:

    Briefly, what makes a decent coach?
    Could I be one?
    If so, what is the best way to get into it?

    Thanks for any help.
     
  2. scrap

    scrap Boxing Addict Full Member

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    You seem a sensible type who enjoys doing it give it a go. If not sure dont be afraid to ask the right people.
     
  3. PugilistStudent

    PugilistStudent Active Member Full Member

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    What makes a decent coach? In order of what I think is most important to the least

    A passion for helping people
    Ability to explain what you mean in a way that gets through to the athletes
    Flexibility
    Knowledge

    Even though knowledge is a must have and you need a good bit of it, all the others are ESSENTIAL to being a good coach. Remember that while coaching youll pick up on things you normally never would have, so youd be gaining even more knowledge.
     
  4. paloalto00

    paloalto00 Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    Sure you can, don't get me wrong fighting experience would help you get an understanding of your fighters. But that's not the only thing that makes a good coach :)
     
  5. TheRock49

    TheRock49 Active Member Full Member

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    I personally, wouldn't want a coach without fight experience. Fighting is why you train. (why I train anyways) Thats like having a swim instructor who's never swam.
     
  6. paloalto00

    paloalto00 Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    As long as you know what you're talking about, then there should be no problem.
     
  7. TheRock49

    TheRock49 Active Member Full Member

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    how can he know what he's talking about though if he's never worn the shoes himself?
     
  8. Roland Deschain

    Roland Deschain New Member Full Member

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    Cu D'Amato had just one amateur fight I believe. And he lost, yet he trained numerous champions.

    Russ Anber hasn't had any fights to my knowledge and has trained numerous amateur champions and trained successful Professional fighters as well.

    Enzo Calzaghe trained his son and he was a Jazz Musician.

    If you know the techniques and have a mind for strategy, an ability for dealing with different personality types, and care about your fighters then yes you can coach.

    Now while the aforementioned trainers lack experience, they know what works and what doesn't based on history. They study and are scholars of boxing. They have a sufficient knowledge of theory and know the techniques and so while they can't speak from personal experience, they can point to boxing history to make their point.
     
  9. TheRock49

    TheRock49 Active Member Full Member

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    Good post.
     
  10. Roland Deschain

    Roland Deschain New Member Full Member

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    Plus, having been a fighter isn't necessarily a prerequisite for being a good coach or trainer. You have to be a good communicator. Not every fighter has the ability to convey what they intend to teach. Teaching is a science in and of itself.
     
  11. paloalto00

    paloalto00 Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    Studying and observing. If you watch alot of boxing, football, or any other sport. You begin to grow knowledge of it correct? So you technically don't need to actually practice the sport to know what to do and what not to do.
     
  12. brown bomber

    brown bomber 2010 Poster of the Year Full Member

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    Absolutely, its always better to be a fighter but if you have an unusual understanding of the sports hows and whys, copibg with confrontation is only a tiny percent of boxing.
     
  13. I say go for it, you wouldn't be schooling champions unless you had something special but I can see an intelligent person teaching kids, walk ins, group workout sessions and generally helping out the full on experts with pads, drills and what not.

    It looks great on your resume, it's community related social work and beneficial to your society. Good way to meet girls aswell, some of the amatuers here are paired up with the shitload of women who want to learn the basics.

    Roland Deschain had good points up there aswell.

    As for HOW you get into it? Well you'll need to prove your worth to the gym, by volunteer work experience, you need to be a gym rat and study the science to know what you're talking about. Unfortauntely theres little certification for this so thats why fight experience is credible. I noticed with US amatuer boxing that they have ' US OLYMPIC CERTIFIED LEVEL X ', I would find out about that if you wanted to actually train a genuine prospect.

    If you wanted to be a conditioner, then you have to study fitness training related courses aswell. Cutman is a specific thing, but i would imagine some research into nursing/first aid courses would be the good start into that while volunteering at amatuer fight nights.

    Basically, it's certainly possible it just takes will and a selfless attitude (which is what being a teach is all about I suppose)
     
  14. KillSomething

    KillSomething Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    Enzo Calzaghe. 'Nuff said.
     
  15. dangerousity

    dangerousity Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    Angelo Dundee has never fought...regarded by many as one of the greatest trainers of all time. In soccer/football Alex Ferguson has never played football(pro), regarded by many as one of the greatest coaches of all time.

    Yes.