That post alone shows that you have absolutly no credibility. Why don't you put big bad quiter Liston in the can for three to four years in his prime, have him fight some tomatoe cans as tune ups when he comes out , give hime plenty of booze,$$$ and dope to live it up between and then have him face a talented iron chinned ACTIVE guy with a ****ing gameplan who made it a life obsession to fight him in the ring under any circumstances and your big bad Sonny is going to do some lackluster three week training for the fight while partying his brains out. Yeah, thats the ticket of ......
Every post you make has you looking like the typical general forum wanker. Actually, i might be insulting them
Self evident, I would have said? Yes, I know that. I absolutely object to labelling anyone "technically sound" when they have gaping holes in their technical ability. Tyson does things proply in terms of what he does but to say he's the technically sounder fighter is totally inaccurate. His infighting skills are approaching laughable when we measure him in ATG company. His out-fighting skills consist of slipping, ducking and punching, yes in a technically defensable manner given his physical limitations but just because he does the things he does "properly" doesn't make him a technician, and certainly doesn't make him technically sounder than Liston. Even IF it can be shown that Liston tends to make more technical errors than Tyson, Liston would still be the technically sounder fighter because Tyson's technical ability at close range is all but non-existant in comparison. I get the same thing with Wlad in general, people insisting he's a great technician. He's not a great technician. Duran is a great technician. Duran fights at all ranges. Wlad is great technically at what he does and an excellent general. Tyson is a good general who knows his job and has the speed to enforce his plan but still came up short twice in his prime years against fighters he was very heavily favoured to be beat. Not co-incidently these men were technically assured at more than one distance.
The more I think about it the more I think Tyson will definitely have some success with the right hand, the sort of punch he put Holmes down with. I've seen Liston wobbled off balance by Bert Whitehurst with a right over the top. Apparantly Howard King had Liston reeling too from a right hand. Although overall I'd favour Liston, I can certainly see Tyson having a big chance of ending it with a fast and powerful right hand or two over the top.
I am glad I am not in your "class" of 31952 posts in less than three years............without even getting a calc thats like 30 plus posts a day ....day in day out...........I am soooooooooooooooooooooo jealous of your "class" of net addiction and life avoidance.
Awwwww what a surprise, you come back and prove my point beyond doubt or speculation immediately :happy
If you watch what the Patterson fights that´s what he did there, jabbing the shoulders and chest not the head.
True overall but I want throw in two things. Patterson had a solid chin not a questionable one. Getting knocked out by huge punchers do not make your chin questionable. And does the Frazier-comparison fit here? Tyson is more similar to Patterson than Frazier imo.
I don´t think Patterson´s chin wad bad at any time of his career. He was knocked down often due to his style. He often overextended, was off-balance and when he was countered then he got knocked down but he got up most of the time and won. That´s not a bad chin. He was stopped by Johannson, Liston and Ali. Johannson and Liston are two of the hardest punchers in the division and the Ali stoppages were on pure accumulation, look at the amount of punishement he took. But yeah, I think he got better technically after he parted ways with D´Amato. And he changed his style to a more cautious approuch which played a role also I think.
Interesting post. Personally, I think Liston was more stable mentally than Tyson and would come out on top if this would play a major role. But I´m sure both would crumble mentally if they would have to meet Jack Johnson - or Ali, well, Liston did actually
Tyson would beat the stuffing out of Liston, look at what Ali's fast combinations did to Liston early on as Ali got in and out, beat him to the punch, and hurt Sonny. Tysons would do the same but hurt Liston more. Liston's own punches are too slow and Tyson would easily slip the jab Tyson KO5